Initial 10, then reduced to 6 + 2 Point Deductions

[tommytowne]

I am of the mind that the punishment was intentionally harsh so as to leave them plenty of room to come down and still appear to be handing out a hefty penalty.

Predict it will be reduced to 4 pts once they get the temperature of how poorly this is received and how little room this gives them to deal with City and Chelsea

Optimistic but I'd take a four point deduction in the blink of an eyelid.

 

[Singe]

There is no access to CAS. And isnt it the case that we’d break PL rules if we took this to court?

I wonder about the legality of the Premier League banning the use of the CAS system. I reckon that rule wouldn't hold up if challenged.

 

[PITA]

No judging by the comments on here they have to play non league teams and are going to shoot up the table.

They will have similar fixtures but what you’re forgetting is that they won’t get any injuries.

 

[uglykidjoe1982]

I know your only joking but it just says to me that she was never truly a CEO (which I think most of us suspected) - her role was window dressing with the main show ran by our dearly departed. I’m just surprised that no one in the media have questioned her absence which is so strange. Any other CEO would be under the microscope. Such dysfunctional, arrogant people in charge.

Another possible reason was that Everton’s solicitors spoke to her and realised that she was couldn’t go five minutes under questioning without saying something incriminating or making up a story about a headlock. Maybe better to sack her before the hearing than let her speak?

 

[JP5]

I know it’s only papers but how many times, and how deeply do they actually want to punish us?

Some of the claims are extreme and if true makes it seem like they want to end our existence.

 

[ramacca]

We got found out doing a bit of jiggeripokery with our accounts. I think that would apply to every premier league club if their accounts were fully investigated. It turns out we only overspent by £6.5 million per year, which is nothing in the scheme of things, and could have been dealt with if the USM naming rights deal had been brought forward. I would assume that we are in the process of getting, or have, new sponsors on board.

It will be interesting to see what we put forward at our appeal. A poorly run club we are, but are all the other premier League clubs run properly and don't get up to any 'dodgy' dealings or accountancy slight of hand.

The Premier league itself is no bastion of virtue.

I think this has galvanised us, because if the injustice, and hopefully that will be picked up by the manager and players.

 

[jazzy]

In normal legal proceedings one cannot retrospectively impose a new penalty that was introduced after the offence.

Strong grounds for appeal.

Not correct BR.

The commission had the discretion to give whatever penalty they thought appropriate.

To get to / justify the points deduction figure they "created " a mechanism.

I have no idea what their terms of reference were but the fact that they had neither historical precedent or sentencing guidelines is frankly bizarre and in those circumstances, they would argue , they adopted a mechanism which would be a precedent and give certainty for future cases.

Of course we know that the complete opposite will apply in reality.

The creation of this mechanism should be one of the central planks of the appeal on sentence but the lacuna presents s huge problem.

 

[jazzy]

Solicitor friend sent this and would urge Everton to use the PL as another mitigation in terms of approving our transfers but bearing no responsibility on our finances.

EFC are the 3rd lowest spender in the PL over 5 years. Context.

PL put Everton in the situation of; either, (1) risk breaching PSR rules and a 10 point penalty or (2) having to sell so many players they would have been relegated anyway.

The PL didn't put Everton in that situation.
Whilst we can all agree that the punishment is ridiculously harsh and almost certainly won't be applied elsewhere it is in reality Evertons initial wreckless and profligate spending on crap footballers that had very little resale value which together with the decision to build a new stadium has put ourselves in this position.

 

[Moderatelywarmwater]

I wonder about the legality of the Premier League banning the use of the CAS system. I reckon that rule wouldn't hold up if challenged.

CAS is purely voluntary, some organisations use it of course, but it’s not based on our country and has no place in our law. Not being able to settle sporting issues in court might be more contentious (if I haven’t just made it up in my head).

 

[Jacko93]

Not correct BR.

The commission had the discretion to give whatever penalty they thought appropriate.

To get to / justify the points deduction figure they "created " a mechanism.

I have no idea what their terms of reference were but the fact that they had neither historical precedent or sentencing guidelines is frankly bizarre and in those circumstances, they would argue , they adopted a mechanism which would be a precedent and give certainty for future cases.

Of course we know that the complete opposite will apply in reality.

The creation of this mechanism should be one of the central planks of the appeal on sentence but the lacuna presents s huge problem.

The problem is, that as part of the final sections of the ruling they state that no precedent can be set from this ruling and sentence and that it is all down to the 3 specialists within this specific case. Other panels may come to a different sentencing for other cases. This is my biggest concern and leads me immediately to think that we will never see 10 points take from a team again.

 

[Blue Smoke]

£105 million is the price of one very good player in modern terms. Its very little in my opinion, for the figures that football deals with nowadays.

 

[Jacko93]

£105 million is the price of one very good player in modern terms. Its very little in my opinion, for the figures that football deals with nowadays.

Its tiny when considered on its own, but we have to remember that £105m is a loss figure. That means that much more is available to teams that have larger incomes. City have just announced record profits of £80m for the year. They could spend £185m on a single player in January and not blink an eyelid as we all know that their profits will only continue to increase with larger sponsorships arriving all the time.

 

[jazzy]

Its tiny when considered on its own, but we have to remember that £105m is a loss figure. That means that much more is available to teams that have larger incomes. City have just announced record profits of £80m for the year. They could spend £185m on a single player in January and not blink an eyelid as we all know that their profits will only continue to increase with larger sponsorships arriving all the time.

Correct and no business can sustainably continue to make losses.

But football isn't like a normal business because frankly only a handful of clubs make any profit.

For many it is a plaything , a vanity project for the ludicrously rich .

 

[hallamblue]

Correct and no business can sustainably continue to make losses.

But football isn't like a normal business because frankly only a handful of clubs make any profit.

For many it is a plaything , a vanity project for the ludicrously rich .

This is the ridiculous thing. Clubs have never earned more money, and yet instead of being sensible and spending it on brilliant stadia and facilities for fans and players they've chucked it all away on player's wages and agent's fees. The Premier League pays silly money and the fans have to pay silly money when they could have had 15 teams with 60,000 capacity stadiums and fans paying £20 a match. The clubs are mainly responsible, but the Premier League could have helped via better regulation.

 

[siddharth]

Its tiny when considered on its own, but we have to remember that £105m is a loss figure. That means that much more is available to teams that have larger incomes. City have just announced record profits of £80m for the year. They could spend £185m on a single player in January and not blink an eyelid as we all know that their profits will only continue to increase with larger sponsorships arriving all the time

Only goes to highlight the arbitrariness of the value mentioned for PSR and how laughable sustainability is to whom these rules apply.