Initial 10, then reduced to 6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Osamabindiesel]

If Everton were switched on they would come out with a statement tomorrow and absolutely rip the prem league apart but these gimps who run the club are absolute wet wipes

It’s the clown who is running it. He is already halfway out the door and trying to get out of dodge before Uzi sends a hit squad after him. It’s the reason he is even entertaining the likes of 777

 

[Jeff Jones]

It was said that Forest "...received a lesser penalty for admitting guilt and co-operation..."

Wasn't the same or similar statement made when Everton's penalty announced?

 

[degsy]

If Everton were switched on they would come out with a statement tomorrow and absolutely rip the prem league apart but these gimps who run the club are absolute wet wipes

Thing is, Nobody is officially running the Club and certainly not anyone with the heft to send KCs into court.

The only people left are the sort...like when you were a kid...who are told; 'Im going next door, if the milkman knocks for his money, give him that envelope on the mantelpiece'

 

[Osamabindiesel]

It was said that Forest "...received a lesser penalty for admitting guilt and co-operation..."

Wasn't the same or similar statement made when Everton's penalty announced?

Probably. The league is just trying to save face at this point. It’s better for them to only have one club and fanbase after them than two. Which puts into question their rules to begin with. Why is there no actual law? Why is it a random penalty for us and another random lesser penalty for Forest when they breached significantly further? This is a PR ruling and Moshiri will bend over because he has zero attachment to the club. It’s insane that this is being allowed to begin with.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Thing is, Nobody is officially running the Club and certainly not anyone with the heft to send KCs into court.

The only people left are the sort...like when you were a kid...who are told; 'Im going next door, if the milkman knocks for his money, give him that envelope on the mantelpiece'

Exactly. Moshiri isn’t even present. Couldn’t give a flip. Difference is City, Chelsea, etc. would run the league through hoops and force them into a stalemate. We admitted guilt and Moshiri just wants a sale to go through so he can pay back Usmanov. He doesn’t care to fight.

 

[Jeff Jones]

So the panel accept that they KNOWINGLY breached:

The Premier League commission ruling said: “When a club like Forest took the risk of effectively ignoring the PSR warning from its finance director before the January window in 2023, and rather than looking to sell players, it added players to its squad, ultimately leaving itself with just two weeks to sell Player A [Brennan Johnson] in the summer 2023 window, such risk taking and ‘sailing close to the wind’ needs a proportionate sanction to maintain the integrity of the Premier League.”

Wow!

 

[RD2910]

Phillip Buckingham in the Athletic with straight up incorrect claims/lies.
Quoting the commission in the Forest case, he says the 'bad information' we provided was the reason our penalty was 'bumped up' to 6 points. That's not true. It was the reason it was bumped up to 10 and then reduced to the 'minimum' of 6 by the appeal, because it wasn't within their remit to punish for it.

If football's governance is going to be held to account, then these half arsed journos need to get their act together and start asking the right questions instead of parroting the source.



Does this read like a process with people who are informed or have any idea what they are doing? It's complete guesswork "we don't know how, but it must relate to..."
This is insane to me. The entire thing is a complete mess.

To be fair to Buckingham, the Forest report does say that. The incorrect information was still seen as an aggravating factor by the appeal board in our case, it's just unclear whether the appeal board assigned further points deductions for it in the way the Forest report implies.

 

[Jeff Jones]

It’s all a mess now and impossible to predict. Probably all comes down to the scale of the breach now.

For me if the total of our two breaches doesn’t exceed Forest’s one breach (ie we are 14 under or less on charge two) it becomes hard to justify a second points sanction. Certainly not if we’ve reasonably co-operated.

But I’ve lost all faith in a consistent process.

I don't think it matters now that we know the amount of the breach isn't a factor in deciding the penalty.

D'yer think?

 

[Jeff Jones]

Can someone tell me how the hell Chelsea are not getting mentioned, their income must be twice that of real Madrid.

What a farce this whole thing would be shown to be if Chelsea were charged and penalised right now.

A six point penalty wouldn't mean a thing to them.

 

[tellmema]

so i’m not correct?

I'm afraid not...

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Even the red echo are calling the process a shambles.

Commission's Nottingham Forest explanation can only lead to one outcome

Our writers have their say on Nottingham Forest's four-point deduction in the Premier League

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[smileychap]

We did not breach the guideline by a larger amount, no.

just over a longer period?

 

[Simo]

Too late?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68602074

 

[smileychap]

So the panel accept that they KNOWINGLY breached:

The Premier League commission ruling said: “When a club like Forest took the risk of effectively ignoring the PSR warning from its finance director before the January window in 2023, and rather than looking to sell players, it added players to its squad, ultimately leaving itself with just two weeks to sell Player A [Brennan Johnson] in the summer 2023 window, such risk taking and ‘sailing close to the wind’ needs a proportionate sanction to maintain the integrity of the Premier League.”

I love Everton but we have to accept that they (Forest) narrowly over-stepped with mis-planning over Johnson.

Everton ran like this over a longer period, arguably influencing 2 if not 3 relegation battles, and were less transparent.

It's proportionate, we HATE it and the Owner and Board who've let the club slide into this. BK's unaccountable in all practical terms. Mosh is still very accountable and likely offloading Everton to a partner who'll be little better, looking at their record across Europe, but who knows. We'd be their biggest asset by far so we can hope that a multi-club owner would prioritise Everton over those other assets (as revolting a thing that is to consider). Who really knows where we'll be next season - somewhere similar or marginally better in all reality, I hope (MINUS a s4*t tonne of bad mgt, debt, deductions, less squad hangers on and PLUS an amazing stadium around the corner to start filling up ALL THE TIME!)

Right now we need to pull another 4-5 pts clear of Luton to guarantee Prem assuming we get another deduction like Forest.

That's our only priority as fans since that's the one we can influence, as the incredible blues at GP have done in the last 2 relegation battles. And for once the schedule from here certainly favours us rather than Luton - and there's naff all the Prem can do about THAT

 

[jazzy]

I think matty is the shagger silk .

It would explain a lot