2018/19 Idrissa Gueye

Borussin

Player Valuation: £950k
It would appear that Dortmund have an injury crises at CB and therefore they want to keep Weigl around. Ask @Borussin for further clarity. This could affect the Gana and PSG carousel as Weigl is PSG's main alternative for Gana.
I think Dortmund wanted to have 4 centre mids for the rest of the season first and foremost. But yes, there has been an injury crisis in central defence, and he can cover there, but now Leo Balerdi has just signed from Boca Juniors, even though I don't expect he will be thrown in from the start, at least it adds depth.

I think it's clear Weigl would like to leave, Dortmund don't have to sell though, normally they don't like to sell without having a backup plan in place to replace a player. So it may depend if the club is happy with going with Witsel, Delaney and Dahoud as 3 centre mids to cover 2 positions. Weigl is the 4th choice now really.
 

flo_psg

Player Valuation: £25k
It would appear that Dortmund have an injury crises at CB and therefore they want to keep Weigl around. Ask @Borussin for further clarity. This could affect the Gana and PSG carousel as Weigl is PSG's main alternative for Gana.
True but they have two players getting back from injury pretty soon. In fact there are two major papers dealing with PSG, but not as well informerd as they used to since Qatar took charge, one of them insists on Gueye, the other one on Weigl...
It seems, unfortunately, pretty unlikely that Rabiot leaves in january.
 

Kever10

Player Valuation: £6m
You can adjust the numbers as you please the overall point will stand. The goal difference is worse when he isn't playing.

The games against top teams don't change either. So the evidence there is still overwhelming as to his importance.
I didn't adjust numbers in the slightest. No more than the picking and choosing of games he didn't play in and how the relevant results were as a result of him not playing.

I said he didn't play against Burnley because he was not in the starting lineup and the game was won by the time he came on. I merely made the point that simply because we scored another goal after he came on, doesn't negate that fact.

The facts are, we played City and Spurs without him, 2 of the best teams in the league and we lost. Both, by the way after unforced errors involving our fearless goalkeeper. We could have, and probably would have lost those games anyway. I can say this, not only because we also lost to Liverpool, United and Arsenal with him in the team, but because we have also played West Ham, Huddersfield, Newcastle, Watford and Leicester at home this season, all winnable games, with him in the side, and managed a grand total of 3 points, 0 victories, and a goal difference of -2.

My point is, we are not a good side without him, because we are not a good side with him, and haven't been since he arrived.

Because he really, really doesn't make the difference some of you seem to think he does.
 

Nymzee

Player Valuation: £70m
I think Dortmund wanted to have 4 centre mids for the rest of the season first and foremost. But yes, there has been an injury crisis in central defence, and he can cover there, but now Leo Balerdi has just signed from Boca Juniors, even though I don't expect he will be thrown in from the start, at least it adds depth.

I think it's clear Weigl would like to leave, Dortmund don't have to sell though, normally they don't like to sell without having a backup plan in place to replace a player. So it may depend if the club is happy with going with Witsel, Delaney and Dahoud as 3 centre mids to cover 2 positions. Weigl is the 4th choice now really.
Balerdi has gone off to the U20 championships.
 
So you want to play an attractive brand of football, but you want to keep Gana. Ok mate nice one

I totally disagree with your first point, I believe we can atract top players, we signed 3 players from Barcelona and we signed a Brazilian on a free transfer who’s been playing regular champions league football. And apparently had loads of clubs after him , I’m sure some of them had European football Money talks.
Chelsea were rumoured to be having a look, another one was Inter Milan, they supposedly held talks with his agent but baulked at the signing on fee and wages he was after to sign for them.
 

HongKongToffee

Player Valuation: £6m
Anyone who's a french speaking DM has been linked with PSG this window.

I just do not see him getting in that side, almost 30 years old and he's never even played in the CL which is the holy grail for PSG, and we all agree he isn't good enough to get in the top 6 sides in the PL when they are at full strength.

They are buying Frenkie De Jong for £66 million anyway in summer which is a done deal.
 

Borussin

Player Valuation: £950k
Balerdi has gone off to the U20 championships.
Does that last till May? :p

He'd not be inline to go straight into the first 11 at Dortmund anyway I would have thought, he's a kid, new to the league and country, but they moved the transfer forward to now, rather than the summer to be depth in the squad, which he will be from mid Feb (or earlier) when the U20's finish.
 

Parker NSNO

Player Valuation: £20m
Anyone who's a french speaking DM has been linked with PSG this window.

I just do not see him getting in that side, almost 30 years old and he's never even played in the CL which is the holy grail for PSG, and we all agree he isn't good enough to get in the top 6 sides in the PL when they are at full strength.

They are buying Frenkie De Jong for £66 million anyway in summer which is a done deal.
He has played in the champions league though.
 

Stephenlloyd

Player Valuation: £15m
Anyone who's a french speaking DM has been linked with PSG this window.

I just do not see him getting in that side, almost 30 years old and he's never even played in the CL which is the holy grail for PSG, and we all agree he isn't good enough to get in the top 6 sides in the PL when they are at full strength.

They are buying Frenkie De Jong for £66 million anyway in summer which is a done deal.
So who are all the others linked then?
 

CRIMHEAD

Player Valuation: £40m
Listen, I've said, the argument for and against the stats are meaningless, they tell you what they tell you. I am capable of watching full games and forming an opinion without looking at stats. And passing stats can be misleading. A completed pass is 1 that leaves Gueye and is taken by another player. A completed pass can still be a poor pass. Christ, people Criticise Niasse for scoring "Bad" Goals.

But you keep regurgitating the same tired old stats about his personal contributions to a game.

Tell me this, seen as I am judging by your name that you are a fan. If someone told you that Robert Fripp wasn't as good a guitarist as say, Noel Gallagher, because Noel Gallagher had more hits in less time and fewer albums, would you just accept that?

I have watched Gueye for us now for almost 3 years and haven't been impressed with what I've seen. He has been in this league for 4 years and, in my eyes, has failed to make an impact in any of the sides he's played in, other than to bolster his own personal stats in teams that have not been improved by his presence. Kante, on the other hand, in the same time, has won the league twice with different teams and won a world Cup, achievements that supplement his stats, his stats do not define him.

We will never agree on this because we are quite clearly seeing different things, whether that is things we want to see or not is another argument.

And for the Record, King Crimson are awesome.
The Fripp arguement is really more about style, though. Now if someone argues he’s faster or more technical, that’s more of a discussion. Some here hate Sigurdsson because he doesn’t hold on to the ball or hate Gana because he doesn’t spray passes all over the pitch. That doesn’t mean they are bad, but some posters can’t tell the difference.p or get over it.

Look, I’m not in love with stats, but I’m clearly seeing something differently than you. He’s the most important player on our team and we’d stink without him. But that’s not even what the post was about. It was more specific about him losing the ball. The stats seem to validate what I’m seeing. It’s not the other way around. I don’t see a guy giving it away, losing possession, especially in a side that’s poor at it. I look at the stats based on what I’m seeing and they validate what I’m seeing. It would be one thing is statistically it seemed neutral, but it’s pretty dramatic. If they didn’t validate what I’m seeing, I would certainly be questioning my own judgement.

I’m also not saying he’s Kante, Kante is much more dynamic going forward, I’m not saying he’s world class. I’m not saying he’s a creator and even a great passer. However, I am saying it’s not his role. I am also saying some of the criticism of Gana isn’t real or correct. In particular, this idea that he gives the ball away is a complete myth.
 

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