GOT represents the opinion of the Everton support

[pcumminsefc]

Dont think its wholly representitive, the board thread for example is very black but then i think most match goers i think dont have the same sense of revolution. No one really agrees in the majority on anything in this place which makes it really. Charlie Adam is a perfect example.

Thank you for the answer. Charlie Adam is terrible, surely that's not up for debate ?

 

[Elong]

I haven't. My thread title and a possible fan group at Goodison was what I wanted this thread to be about but I keep getting comments directed at me about other things. I don't care about the opinion of Everton fans on sectarianism as it doesn't really matter to them and most won't feel that strongly about the subject which is fine and obviously understandable ? Idiotic comments like the one above yours (and mine) just frustrate me.

No problems mate, it's a touchy subject and we should just focus on Everton being boss and stuff

As far as the OP, I live just about as far as Goodison as it is possible. This site certainly helps me keep in touch, and possibly influences my thoughts on what's happening with the club. Whether all of the locals think this way I'm unsure, but there's a good mix of views on here and it's enjoyable reading.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Trust me I will have more of an education than you on the matter. Anyway, I'll follow your second comment because it's what we both want.

Judging by your comments relating to "no surrender" I sincerely doubt that's true, but nevermind.

 

[Neiler]

Thank you for the answer. Charlie Adam is terrible, surely that's not up for debate ?

Its a one man crusade mate, think Indiana Jones!

 

[Dell Boy]

How in any way is the motto "No Surrender" sectarian ? Really, explain this to me. Look up the meaning of the word sectarian. Get an education on such things before commenting or I won't br able to take you serious.

Ha Ha that's is bloomin hilarious!!!!!! I'm not remotely going to get into the debate of Northern Ireland politics in any shape or form although I am very familiar with the subject thanks all the same.

But to deny a link to a video/group that has as its emblem a growling bear emblazoned on a union jack with the motto "no surrender" is sectarian is funny as [Poor language removed]!!!

A simple definition of sectarianism is "strong support for one particular religious or political group, especially when this leads to violence between different groups".

You cannot deny that the whole blue army/loyalists adhere to a singular political belief based nominally on religious groupings and you cannot deny that it has led to violence to those of different views and still does as recently as last night in the Short Strand area of Belfast to name but one.

 

[bluejock]

How in any way is the motto "No Surrender" sectarian ? Really, explain this to me. Look up the meaning of the word sectarian. Get an education on such things before commenting or I won't br able to take you serious.

Because it comes from the chant "No surrender to the IRA (Scum!)"

Next.

 

[bignev23]

I always thought 'no surrender' was aimed at the I.R.A. So for me its definaetley Sectarian. Its something which will be kept alive with groups like this and has no place in football in this country as it just encourages rival groups which leads to more trouble and hatred.Plus its fu*king patheti, a bit like having cheerleaders.

 

[pcumminsefc]

Because it comes from the chant "No surrender to the IRA (Scum!)"

Next.

And that's a religious slur ? The IRA are a political army not a religious one. And it comes from long before that anyway. This is an age old argument that certainly has no place on an Everton forum so can we drop it ?

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

And that's a religious slur ? The IRA are a political army not a religious one. And it comes from long before that anyway. This is an age old argument that certainly has no place on an Everton forum so can we drop it ?

Amen Brother

 

[bluejock]

And that's a religious slur ? The IRA are a political army not a religious one. And it comes from long before that anyway.

In being adopted and used by Rangers fans? No, it doesn't. That's exactly where it comes from.

As for being a religious/sectarian slur, why is there to be no surrender to the IRA? Because they're the enemy in a long running religious and territorial war, incedentally, one ine a different country and one that has [Poor language removed] all to do with football.

Both sides of the Old Firm are as bad as each other and your poisoned bigotry has no place on an Everton forum. As a Dundee Utd fan as well, I'm just sad that it's been allowed to go unchallenged in Scottish football so long.

 

[Dell Boy]

And that's a religious slur ? The IRA are a political army not a religious one. And it comes from long before that anyway. This is an age old argument that certainly has no place on an Everton forum so can we drop it ?

You had a pop at me for not having an education. The term sectarianism relates equally to political and religious although for all things Northern Ireland they are largely one and the same. And now you happily want to drop it after being proved wrong in the aftermath of posting a bigoted video?!

Ha Ha that's is bloomin hilarious!!!!!! I'm not remotely going to get into the debate of Northern Ireland politics in any shape or form although I am very familiar with the subject thanks all the same.

But to deny a link to a video/group that has as its emblem a growling bear emblazoned on a union jack with the motto "no surrender" is sectarian is funny as [Poor language removed]!!!

A simple definition of sectarianism is "strong support for one particular religious or political group, especially when this leads to violence between different groups".

You cannot deny that the whole blue army/loyalists adhere to a singular political belief based nominally on religious groupings and you cannot deny that it has led to violence to those of different views and still does as recently as last night in the Short Strand area of Belfast to name but one.

 

[pcumminsefc]

You had a pop at me for not having an education. The term sectarianism relates equally to political and religious although for all things Northern Ireland they are largely one and the same. And now you happily want to drop it after being proved wrong in the aftermath of posting a bigoted video?!

Find the bigoted video I posted for me pal. The war between the British army and IRA was never a religious war ? And even though religion was a clear driver of the troubles, it certainly did not start it. As has already been said it was a territorial and political war. The term no surrender can be traced back to Lord Carson who sent troops from Ulster to France to fight in the Great War, which had nothing to do with religion. I could sit here and talk about this all day but I think other posters are getting bored of it and have expressed they don't want it on an Everton board, that is why I don't want to talk about it.

 

[Thuck ma Baws]

Find the bigoted video I posted for me pal. The war between the British army and IRA was never a religious war ? And even though religion was a clear driver of the troubles, it certainly did not start it. As has already been said it was a territorial and political war. The term no surrender can be traced back to Lord Carson who sent troops from Ulster to France to fight in the Great War, which had nothing to do with religion. I could sit here and talk about this all day but I think other posters are getting bored of it and have expressed they don't want it on an Everton board, that is why I don't want to talk about it.

Who gives a ****

 

[Cena]

How in any way is the motto "No Surrender" sectarian ? Really, explain this to me. Look up the meaning of the word sectarian. Get an education on such things before commenting or I won't br able to take you serious.

 

[Neiler]

Very much locked: stay on topic and be reminded about the politics and religious rules etc.