Somewhat bad example imo - he had ups and downs before he settled, was then average and fell off badly much later. If anything it's a good example of a player we actually have given a chance to improve himself by playing him.
If you listened to Moyes' last interview after Brighton, the conversation about Armstrong from Moyes was how impressed he is by Armstrong listening to instruction.Where did you read that, given that I specifically said I'd love to see us win it?I'm worried the form in the league will suffer and we'll need to spend even more money (which we won't) and be weaker overall if we don't actually win the pot, but it'd be a fantastic achievement.
Aznou LB/LW, Dibling RW, Armstrong in CM, I don't care one iota about other teams as they usually actually play their young players more than us overall, it's just fun to point out when they do, like now, as "last weekend" was great that we did that, the previous ~20 we didn't.
Moyes is still leading the board for least gametime given to teenagers all time and that won't change, but what's Mykolenko offering currently? Or why start a young player just to say "I told you so" and bench him, as is Armstrong's case, and put him way out of position so he offers nothing? Gueye straight back in instead of Rohl/Armstrong is also bizarre. But that's Moyes for you.
Mykolenko will listen to instruction, Gueye will listen to instruction
I don't want Mykolenko in our side either, but do you really think Moyes is not playing Aznou because of the date on his birth certificate? Or do you think the 19 year old lad who made 7 starts for a team that finished bottom of La Liga last season should jump straight into PL football?
Dibling isn't playing (despite actually making a good few appearances) because he hasn't pulled up any trees yet or contributed any goals/assists, he also has/had our best player playing in his position (N'Diaye)
And i also agree Gueye shouldnt of come straight back in, but it shouldnt of been for Rohl or Armstrong, it should of been for Iroegbunam
Also the argument for no European football is daft, we have 4 capable centre halves, 7 centre mids, if we bought 2 really good full backs Patterson & Mykolenko would be able deputy's, we could do with another winger and a centre forward, but that's only 4 signings, our squads not as small as people think, its just weak in certain positions
Also, teenagers accounted for only 4% of minutes played in the PL last season
So rigidity and overinstruction and 1 mistake and you're out, instead of nurturing talent that will make mistakes? Because otherwise this theory falls flat - experienced players make stupid mistakes all the time too and they keep their place (or just go straight back in the team whenever they can be put on). Who, out of those groups, is likely to improve - the 37 year old or the 18-19 year old?
No, but it's February mate, half the season's gone, he's not played at all.
~300 minutes in the league all season so far, McNeil preferred over him, then Armstrong, for literally no reason - Dibling might be the worst person ever to follow instructions I guess, he probably doesn't know which side he's being instructed to play on. Ndiaye was gone for over a month and he's had plenty of games where he's huffing and puffing but we don't sub him off for Dibling, god forbid he plays more than 10 min a game.
Tim was injured when Gueye came back in, hence why Armstrong.
Also "should have".
This seems to be an argument you're having with yourself here mate - I literally said I'd like to see us win it in the posts you quote, just asking to be to be cautious, but I guess we need "only 4 signings" and the rest will fall into place as no player we have had has ever been injured, especially when we'll have potentially over 50 games. We definitely need more than 4 even if we don't get into Europe, but it's fine if you think that.
Wow, brilliant, we also didn't have several potentially great players last season, and I also don't care - I want to see our young players play and develop, not just sit on the bench because they're not
Also Dibling was likely a big chunk of those 4% himself, wasn't he? It's a shame he forgot how to play in the PL over those 2 months or so.
We have senior players that display mediocre pet on a regular basis ! I don't mind the occasional game where a younger player doesn't distinguish himself, better than watching mcneil and Keane bungle things constantly yet get rewarded with additional playing time
Which is fine mate.
But ultimately everyone’s opinion sours based on results the players being old or young doesn’t matter.
I think this thread frames a mistruth to be honest, over Xmas and in our last few games we have given plenty of opportunity and minutes to the younger players in our squad.
We’ve an awful record, I’d wager the worst in the league of buying young player and developing them - up to cycle of recruitment last summer - the current manager and administration needs to buck that trend.
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Play der kids Moyles, lad. Ffs.
All I'm gonna say is next season we will very likely have three 20 year olds and a 19 year old in the first team squad, and we need a more robust plan for their development than 'does Moyes trust them'.
I'm not saying there's an easy solution, playing in the premier league at that age is hard! But that's a lot of minutes that need to go to pretty young players somehow
I'm not saying there's an easy solution, playing in the premier league at that age is hard! But that's a lot of minutes that need to go to pretty young players somehow
Realised after I posted, but at least mine is to 1 overall post, not to 25 people's bits of posts I guess.A very Zatlike post
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
This thread sounds like one of Zat's dreams. Letting them out of the pen on the farm for some exercise.
Far to much going on there to read that
But i'm really pleased for you.....................or sorry it happened
Great response to counterpoints on a forum mate.
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