Gary Neville: Fans must never get bored of the stability that Moyes and Pulis bring

[toffeejack]

I think he's thinking his time may just be ticking down , there is serious interest in him from a championship team that if they don't get promoted will pay him significantly more than his current wage. I'm not sure the chairman will be rushing to move pulls on but I wouldn't be astounded to see him not be there next season

Leeds?

Ok. Playing devil's advocate here. What have we done in the last 15+ years (or at least during the Moyes era) that says we SHOULDN'T be grouped with them.

Think carefully before you answer.

guaranteed to finish top half for a start - there are massive differences (even though both teams have spent quite a bit of wonga lately

 

[toffeejack]

Don't disagree with those answers at all.

For me, a neutral would simply look at the league table year after year and say "Yeah, after the top five or six, then you have Everton and (insert mid table club name here)."

They'll start making it after the top 7 you have ... when liverpool start finishing there consistantly

 

[PeterMeter]

And I suppose football reflects the way we have changed. Certainly it has when I consider the reaction to two very well respected, and I would say high-performing, managers this week — David Moyes at Everton and Tony Pulis at Stoke.

Both have been coming under pressure because people these days aren’t happy that Everton, who once would often flirt with relegation, will finish between fifth and eighth every year; or that Stoke, a club who were in the third tier 11 years ago, will end up between 12th and 14th in the Premier League. The fact that they know what’s going to happen doesn’t excite them, doesn’t stimulate them.
But if anything demonstrates the importance of stability, of consistency, of not making rash decisions, then Everton's performance did.

He's being a bit flippant isn't he. While I, and many younger fans, have failed to see this club at it's very finest he misses the point completely. You don't have the 100,000's of armchair fans that other clubs have at Everton, while there are a handful here and there I'd be hard pressed to find more than 2-3 other Evertonians outside of my family in my surroundings. To me, that "30-year marriage" is Everton, as it's been for my father before that, dating back to somewhere in the 80's watching the beautiful game on saturday afternoons. It's not a whim. It's not a knee-jerk (not for most).

The standards are high along with expectations because, unlike most other clubs, the fans that go to the game are the same ones who saw us lift cups, win the european cup etc. The 5-10 year dip in fortune is just that, equal to a bad day in a life-long marriage dating back to 1878 and it's time to kick on again. We want more than 5-8th placings and we want a board, a manager and a team that acknowledges the history that is there, and strives for more as well.

Everton is, simply put, the greatest club there ever was.

 

[blueblue]

Neville is one of the best pundits around,but that doesn't mean he is right about everything.

He is a child of the premiership and thinks history started with the first premiership season.He doesn't understand the level of expectations held by Evertonians.
Where we are at present is not good enough....he doesn't understand this,he thinks we should be thrilled to be called a top eight team.
Everton supporters have generally be very supportive of David Moyes and this debate has arisen because it is perfectly clear he wants to manage somewhere else.
Once the debate did start then people began to see flaws in the argument that without David Moyes ,Everton are doomed.

As a manager Ithink he has assembled a very good squad of players,but very often doesn't get the best from them against poorer opposition.
This season in particular is a case of wasted opportunity.

 

[dead_soft]

I am sick to the back teeth of hearing the words, stability & grateful and the terms "in good hands" and "be careful what you wish for" . I am yearning for a manager who taps into the belief the supporters have that we are a truly special club who should be smashing everyone from pillar to post. I fear no f*cker and I have 50,000 other people who feel exactly the same way. We demand success and if you do not then f*cking do one[/]

Just because we would like to smash everyone from pillar to post doesn't mean we can. We are nowhere close to a position to d that and wouldn't be with any manager.
And 50,000? We'd struggle to find that even if we had the seats...

 

[BadWool76]

He's being a bit flippant isn't he. While I, and many younger fans, have failed to see this club at it's very finest he misses the point completely. You don't have the 100,000's of armchair fans that other clubs have at Everton, while there are a handful here and there I'd be hard pressed to find more than 2-3 other Evertonians outside of my family in my surroundings. To me, that "30-year marriage" is Everton, as it's been for my father before that, dating back to somewhere in the 80's watching the beautiful game on saturday afternoons. It's not a whim. It's not a knee-jerk (not for most).

The standards are high along with expectations because, unlike most other clubs, the fans that go to the game are the same ones who saw us lift cups, win the european cup etc. The 5-10 year dip in fortune is just that, equal to a bad day in a life-long marriage dating back to 1878 and it's time to kick on again. We want more than 5-8th placings and we want a board, a manager and a team that acknowledges the history that is there, and strives for more as well.

Everton is, simply put, the greatest club there ever was.

Nearly in tears here reading that. Nailed it lad.
I love them, you love them, WE love them. Jesus Christ I am filling up here

 

[BadWool76]

I am sick to the back teeth of hearing the words, stability & grateful and the terms "in good hands" and "be careful what you wish for" . I am yearning for a manager who taps into the belief the supporters have that we are a truly special club who should be smashing everyone from pillar to post. I fear no f*cker and I have 50,000 other people who feel exactly the same way. We demand success and if you do not then f*cking do one[/]

Just because we would like to smash everyone from pillar to post doesn't mean we can. We are nowhere close to a position to d that and wouldn't be with any manager.
And 50,000? We'd struggle to find that even if we had the seats...

I think that if we achieved genuine success and built upon it steadily then 50,000 is entirely possible.