Future England players?

[Zatara]

With us having 6 players selected in the England u21 squad (prior to Holgate pulling out through injury), I wonder what the perception is on whether any of them may make it into the full squad...

I think 10+ caps would be a decent amount to be an England international 'squad player'

Could any of our England u21s achieve this?

 

[Goat]

With us having 6 players selected in the England u21 squad (prior to Holgate pulling out through injury), I wonder what the perception is on whether any of them may make it into the full squad...

I think 10+ caps would be a decent amount to be an England international 'squad player'

Could any of our England u21s achieve this?

Nope.

 

[Zatara]

Nope.

Because;

A -- You don't rate any of them highly now?
B -- You don't think any of them have the potential to reach that level?
C -- You think there are superior players currently in the England squad who will keep them out?

 

[Goat]

Because;

A -- You don't rate any of them highly now?
B -- You don't think any of them have the potential to reach that level?
C -- You think there are superior players currently in the England squad who will keep them out?

D - I put ZERO stock on whether people play for England, its not even about footballing talent, its just basically X Factor with the English media picking the squad, so it doesnt matter how good or bad they are, it only matters how much the media love them.

 

[Zatara]

D - I put ZERO stock on whether people play for England, its not even about footballing talent, its just basically X Factor with the English media picking the squad, so it doesnt matter how good or bad they are, it only matters how much the media love them.

Times seem to be changing with Southgate picking Cook, Livermore and other unheralded players...

 

[BigBlueConk]

None of them unless they move to a media friendly club.

Which I think the lad above is alluding to.

 

[orly]

Because;

A -- You don't rate any of them highly now?
B -- You don't think any of them have the potential to reach that level?
C -- You think there are superior players currently in the England squad who will keep them out?

All of the above, caveat with C is Henderson who is truly abysmal

 

[Zatara]

None of them unless they move to a media friendly club.

Which I think the lad above is alluding to.

Pickford is in...and Keane is in and out though...

Also, weve recently had a few players in the squad together...

 

[Zatara]

All of the above, caveat with C is Henderson who is truly abysmal

Livermore

 

[orly]

Livermore

Better than Davies.

 

[BigBlueConk]

Pickford is in...and Keane is in and out though...

Also, weve recently had a few players in the squad together...

Time will tell but Keane might be lucky if one of the others gets injured otherwise he has had his chance.
Keepers are a bit different and Southgate will chop and change....

 

[Goat]

Times seem to be changing with Southgate picking Cook, Livermore and other unheralded players...

Yeah and the media didnt like it, not 1 bit.



How we described Jake Livermore’s performance v Germany in November:

‘His job is to recycle possession, yet he was constantly putting tin cans in the garden waste bin. His job is also to press in central midfield and ensure his opponents do not enjoy too much time on the ball, yet Mesut Ozil and Ilkay Gundogan all too often enjoyed the freedom of Wembley to roam and create. Would not be starting were it not for the injury epidemic, but still feels like such an underwhelming option.’

How we described Jake Livermore’s performance v Brazil in November:

‘I’ve nothing against Livermore, but he looked so far out of his depth against Brazil that he needed armbands, float and rubber ring. Please can this extended experiment end soon?’

So when Gareth Southgate defends his decision to retain Jake Livermore in his squad in March – with Livermore’s unbelievably poor West Brom marooned at the bottom of the Premier League – and says “he did really well for us against Germany and Brazil”, we call bullsh*t.

 

[Zatara]

Better than Davies.

He's 28 and Davies is 19...if Davies performs in the u21s and keeps getting games and developing then even if it takes 3 seasons he would still only be 22 and Livermore 31...has time on his side of course.

Time will tell but Keane might be lucky if one of the others gets injured otherwise he has had his chance.
Keepers are a bit different and Southgate will chop and change....

I don't think Keane has done anything wrong internationally, in fact It appears to me that hes played better for England than for us bar a few matches...think hes been dropped as hes been poor for us.

Yeah and the media didnt like it, not 1 bit.



How we described Jake Livermore’s performance v Germany in November:

‘His job is to recycle possession, yet he was constantly putting tin cans in the garden waste bin. His job is also to press in central midfield and ensure his opponents do not enjoy too much time on the ball, yet Mesut Ozil and Ilkay Gundogan all too often enjoyed the freedom of Wembley to roam and create. Would not be starting were it not for the injury epidemic, but still feels like such an underwhelming option.’

How we described Jake Livermore’s performance v Brazil in November:

‘I’ve nothing against Livermore, but he looked so far out of his depth against Brazil that he needed armbands, float and rubber ring. Please can this extended experiment end soon?’

So when Gareth Southgate defends his decision to retain Jake Livermore in his squad in March – with Livermore’s unbelievably poor West Brom marooned at the bottom of the Premier League – and says “he did really well for us against Germany and Brazil”, we call bullsh*t.

That tells you Southgate is ignoring them and putting him in the squad...

 

[Goat]

He's 28 and Davies is 19...if Davies performs in the u21s and keeps getting games and developing then even if it takes 3 seasons he would still only be 22 and Livermore 31...has time on his side of course.



I don't think Keane has done anything wrong internationally, in fact It appears to me that hes played better for England than for us bar a few matches...think hes been dropped as hes been poor for us.



That tells you Southgate is ignoring them and putting him in the squad...

That tells me that at some point he will bow to the media, they always do.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Times seem to be changing with Southgate picking Cook, Livermore and other unheralded players...

Until there is a major competition, then it’s back to the norm.