Financial Fair Play investigation

[davek]

We are guilty if and when we are found guilty. Until then, we are not guilty.

...and even if found 'guilty' the penalty is still open to question rather than the slam dunk of points deductions some appear are happy to accept.

 

[kenada_blue]

My personal opinion is that u are correct and I think EFC will be found guilty. I initially thought that there is no chance of a points deduction but as time goes by I am thinking there maybe a small points deduction. PL may want to make an example of a club to make it appear they are serious about P&S

There won't be any points deduction.

 

[Neiler]

Theres some great Evertonians up here ^^^

They haven't got a clue about the specifics of Everton's case and why there's a commission in the first place, but they're happy to accept points deductions either this season or next to sink the club because...erm...Bill Kenwright is a liar and Everton cancel AGMs and some clown who runs a podcast with some other clown says he had late night calls from the club and has therefore thrown his toys out the pram and says we'll be getting a points deduction when there is no precedent to call on for FFP violations.

We dont really need any Kopites really do we?

If we had any nous about us, we would be highlighting and cashing in media favor's with the narrative of the scab six getting of light over the ESL and highlighting the political motivations at play here. One rule for one and another for others.

An analysis piece on breaking financial rules during recovery from a pandemic, or trying to torpedo the whole competition - which is the greater sin and how if any punishment has already been precedent set - not that we have been proven guilty yet - but maximum pressure and leverage applied.

 

[Tom Hughes]

That's not what I said.

I said "happy to accept points deductions".

Tell me I'm wrong.

Ok..... No one has said they're happy to accept points deductions either. You're making stuff up.

Tell me I'm wrong!

 

[davek]

If we had any nous about us, we would be highlighting and cashing in media favor's with the narrative of the scab six getting of light over the ESL and highlighting the political motivations at play here. One rule for one and another for others.

An analysis piece on breaking financial rules during recovery from a pandemic, or trying to torpedo the whole competition - which is the greater sin and how if any punishment has already been precedent set - not that we have been proven guilty yet - but maximum pressure and leverage applied.

Same with Chelsea mate. There they've been, buying all sorts of players - massive expensive squad - but flying under the radar by signing them on 8 year contracts and thereby it shows up less heavly in yearly accounts.

Btw, that ^^^ is something Kieran Maguire describes as "gaming the system" and that's ok by him and Chelsea wont fall foul of FFP because of it.

Great isn't it? These principled people who's principles are eleastic enough to allow for personal animus.

As said: Maguire = light entertainer with an axe to grind.

 

[Tom Hughes]

If we had any nous about us, we would be highlighting and cashing in media favor's with the narrative of the scab six getting of light over the ESL and highlighting the political motivations at play here. One rule for one and another for others.

An analysis piece on breaking financial rules during recovery from a pandemic, or trying to torpedo the whole competition - which is the greater sin and how if any punishment has already been precedent set - not that we have been proven guilty yet - but maximum pressure and leverage applied.

It might be an angle but as with late night phone calls, you have to be careful that attempted leverage/pressure and whataboutery doesn't help, but only antagonises the argument. So if you're going to try to engage in politics of the process, you need to make sure you have the political support. Of course the stock reply would probably be that we've signed up to the rules and are therefore subject to them, regardless of what the naughty six did or didn't do......

Everton have to be good at reading the room. They could claim the CEO miscounted because she was in a headlock?

 

[Neiler]

Same with Chelsea mate. There they've been, buying all sorts of players - massive expensive squad - but flying under the radar by signing them on 8 year contracts and thereby it shows up less heavly in yearly accounts.

Btw, that ^^^ is something Kieran Maguire describes as "gaming the system" and that's ok by him and Chelsea wont fall foul of FFP because of it.

Great isn't it? These principled people who's principles are eleastic enough to allow for personal animus.

As said: Maguire = light entertainer with an axe to grind.

This is the thing, The PL is the clubs - if each club is scrutinizing the other accounts ready to point a finger - which it clearly has become with us City, we are already looking at Chelsea's, Leicester's, Leeds, Forests and Villas - this is going to be wide reaching in the future, we might be on the bold step today - but there are a few who must be shifting in their seats and at what point do turkeys not vote for Xmas.

 

[Blue peter]

I agree it would be unprecedented, my fear is that the PL want to show they are 'strong'

They also have to regard any punishment they may have to give City if found guilty. They will have one eye on that

 

[Wizard]

Same with Chelsea mate. There they've been, buying all sorts of players - massive expensive squad - but flying under the radar by signing them on 8 year contracts and thereby it shows up less heavly in yearly accounts.

Btw, that ^^^ is something Kieran Maguire describes as "gaming the system" and that's ok by him and Chelsea wont fall foul of FFP because of it.

Great isn't it? These principled people who's principles are eleastic enough to allow for personal animus.

As said: Maguire = light entertainer with an axe to grind.

It's ok by him because so far Chelsea haven't broken any rules yet. They have "gamed the system" and as a result UEFA have closed that loophole. But what they did was perfectly legal when they did it. He reports on every team. It's so weird that you think he has developed a personal grudge against Everton because of one comment. You seem to be the one with an axe to grind. Absolutely obsessed.

 

[ToffeeTim]

...and even if found 'guilty' the penalty is still open to question rather than the slam dunk of points deductions some appear are happy to accept.

Of course, but I prefer to see what happens with the investigation before I start to try and rule things in or out. We haven't got to that stage yet.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Same with Chelsea mate. There they've been, buying all sorts of players - massive expensive squad - but flying under the radar by signing them on 8 year contracts and thereby it shows up less heavly in yearly accounts.

Btw, that ^^^ is something Kieran Maguire describes as "gaming the system" and that's ok by him and Chelsea wont fall foul of FFP because of it.

Great isn't it? These principled people who's principles are eleastic enough to allow for personal animus.

As said: Maguire = light entertainer with an axe to grind.

You're the only one with an axe to grind..... (as ever)

The real issue is how and why we're in this position and what it all means ...... and that has nothing whatsover to do with Keiran Maguire. However, If (as a mere light entertainer) he's identified one way in which Chelsea (or anyone else) have brought their accounting figures within limits, and if it is a valid method, then shouldn't we perhaps be asking why our (accountant) owner and his multiple accounting staff haven't done similar? Or was that because we couldn't dare offer longer term deals to most of the duffers we've bought?

Get a grip.... stop going off at interminable tangents. Our plight will have nothing to do with Maguire.

 

[degsy]

They also have to regard any punishment they may have to give City if found guilty. They will have one eye on that

Everton to be treated fairly - Dream on

 

[Jacko93]

The only people to blame for the mess we are in is the board and owner. Everything else - reported bias in the media, proposals of points deductions etc - all comes from the board and owner being utterly clueless and putting us in a position that was wholly avoidable.

My two penneth is that we should only consider what will happen to us, as in my eyes it is a certainty that once we are punished in a way that they see fit, the rules will change using our plight as an example of how they had it wrong and it was only meant to be a guide not a method with which to relegate clubs. The P&S will be scrapped or the threshold doubled due to 'inflationary player demands'.

 

[Blue peter]

Everton to be treated fairly - Dream on

There has to be proportionality when deciding on punishment and the yardstick is precedent based on other punishments doled out but do we get a trophy if we’re found innocent? It will be the biggest win we’ve had in a quarter of a century

 

[Blue peter]

It might be an angle but as with late night phone calls, you have to be careful that attempted leverage/pressure and whataboutery doesn't help, but only antagonises the argument. So if you're going to try to engage in politics of the process, you need to make sure you have the political support. Of course the stock reply would probably be that we've signed up to the rules and are therefore subject to them, regardless of what the naughty six did or didn't do......

Everton have to be good at reading the room. They could claim the CEO miscounted because she was in a headlock?

And that is something I think our BoD are inept at