Fellaini Has A Big Decision To Make

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If we finish above one of United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Spurs, i'll buy everyone on this forum a pint.

An English friend of mine, who I worked with in Japan, said he would "burn his passport" if England didn't qualify for Euro 2008. They didn't but he never got his lighter out.
 
It sounds nice, but here's a very plausible scenario.

We bring in £20m worth of players in January. They end up being a pair of Bilyaletdinovs. We finish fifth, Moyes leaves. We have to find a replacement manager, and either have to pay compensation to a club, or hope that a good manager falls into our lap.

Fellaini kicks up a fuss and leaves for £25m on deadline day, 20% of the profit goes to Liege so we're left with £23m but can't spend it until January. Our new manager is crap and we're sat in the bottom half of the table by the time the transfer window opens. Jelavic decides he wants out, as does Mirallas.

etc.

I'm all for spending some money in January, but £20m is a bit ridiculous when the club has shown no interest in actually investing in the club. Strengthening the squad should be the goal, which Moyes could do with less than half that figure.

That is a very elaborate scenario that you have painted, and it is of similar ilk to the people who can’t wait to refer to Portsmouth or Leeds every time investment is discussed. But what happened to Leeds is a million miles away from what I am suggesting, as we would be investing sensibly with a clear contingency plan as to what we would do IF things didn’t go to plan.

But lets go through your doomsday scenario. If the two players end up being like Bilyaletdinov’ then SELL THEM, just like we did with Billy, and he was replaced by Jelavic, a far superior player.

Moyes really isn’t going to leave. He loves his nice warm home in the Northwest of England, so I can’t see him moving afar, and he isn’t going to get either of the Manchester jobs. He wouldn’t last long if he went to either of them anyway, and Moyes knows this.

If Fellaini left on deadline day, then it would be Everton’s fault. We would have had all summer to sell him, and you would expect us to sell him far earlier. And then it’s just a massive jump to start labeling our imaginary new manager as being crap, and then Jelavic and Mirallas demanding a move as a consequence. We would get huge fees for both of those players, if we were to sell them, as well.

We are in a position were we could spend this January, and that we would have numerous ways of paying that money back IF things did go wrong. Of course, there is also the possibility that things GO WELL, and then I could paint a scenario that see’s us jibbing off Moyes in favour of Mourinho.
 
That is a very elaborate scenario that you have painted, and it is of similar ilk to the people who can’t wait to refer to Portsmouth or Leeds every time investment is discussed. But what happened to Leeds is a million miles away from what I am suggesting, as we would be investing sensibly with a clear contingency plan as to what we would do IF things didn’t go to plan.

But lets go through your doomsday scenario. If the two players end up being like Bilyaletdinov’ then SELL THEM, just like we did with Billy, and he was replaced by Jelavic, a far superior player.

Moyes really isn’t going to leave. He loves his nice warm home in the Northwest of England, so I can’t see him moving afar, and he isn’t going to get either of the Manchester jobs. He wouldn’t last long if he went to either of them anyway, and Moyes knows this.

If Fellaini left on deadline day, then it would be Everton’s fault. We would have had all summer to sell him, and you would expect us to sell him far earlier. And then it’s just a massive jump to start labeling our imaginary new manager as being crap, and then Jelavic and Mirallas demanding a move as a consequence. We would get huge fees for both of those players, if we were to sell them, as well.

We are in a position were we could spend this January, and that we would have numerous ways of paying that money back IF things did go wrong. Of course, there is also the possibility that things GO WELL, and then I could paint a scenario that see’s us jibbing off Moyes in favour of Mourinho.

He would have taken the Spurs job all day long if it had been offered.
 
'Go bust’, surely you aren’t being serious mate?

All the new revenue would easily cover the expenditure in January, and even if such revenue wasn’t on its way, Everton Football Club wouldn’t be in danger of going bust just because it owed an extra 20 million or so.

The bank called in a 30 million pound overdraft not so long ago, and we paid it back with ease in less than 12 months. We were never in danger of ‘going bust’, and what’s more, selling the assets that allowed us to pay the bank back has left us in a far healthier situation than what we were.

When you borrow £20m or £20 from a lending instititution you don't owe them £20m back mate. Everton Football Club has been selling players to stay afloat consistently for the best part of a decade now. From the mouth of one ex-manager "Administration was a possibility on more than one occassion".

The club has been losing around 10m a season in real terms this past few years. We also take out bridging loans on an annual basis because we basically run out of money before we get our sky payments. The increase we will get may change these factors and make a few players a bit richer but holding out for anything more would be naive and to ignore everything thats gone before.

And that £30m overdraft (I heard £25m) hasn't been touched according to several club officials who suggest our debt remains stagnant.

an extra 5-10m on top of our debt and a few seasons of mediocrity or one bad manegerial choice would see us go bust IMO. a 20m addition to the debt would make it a certainty.
 
When you borrow £20m or £20 from a lending instititution you don't owe them £20m back mate. Everton Football Club has been selling players to stay afloat consistently for the best part of a decade now. From the mouth of one ex-manager "Administration was a possibility on more than one occassion".

The club has been losing around 10m a season in real terms this past few years. We also take out bridging loans on an annual basis because we basically run out of money before we get our sky payments. The increase we will get may change these factors and make a few players a bit richer but holding out for anything more would be naive and to ignore everything thats gone before.

And that £30m overdraft (I heard £25m) hasn't been touched according to several club officials who suggest our debt remains stagnant.

an extra 5-10m on top of our debt and a few seasons of mediocrity or one bad manegerial choice would see us go bust IMO. a 20m addition to the debt would make it a certainty.

I believe the club when they say the debt remains stagnant, but to believe that a 25-30 million pound overdraft is sitting there untouched is seriously far fetched even by their standards. The overdraft allowed us to accrue losses of about 5million per year (otherwise how would we cover the loss?), the bank called it in and it was paid back within 18 months.

I believe the comments regarding administration come from a manager who was with us over 10 years ago. Not only is that period a very long time ago now, but saying administration was a ‘possibility’ whilst your assets massively outweighed your liabilities is like talking about the possibility of getting a bird pregnant whilst wearing an extra strength durex condom… highly unlikely to happen.

I disagree that an extra 20million with mediocre performances would see us go under, as there are far smaller clubs with bigger debts and smaller revenue and they aren’t all going to the wall. But the fundamental difference in what I have been suggesting is that we would have numerous contingency plans to cover us IF things didn’t go to plan.
 
I believe the club when they say the debt remains stagnant, but to believe that a 25-30 million pound overdraft is sitting there untouched is seriously far fetched even by their standards. The overdraft allowed us to accrue losses of about 5million per year (otherwise how would we cover the loss?), the bank called it in and it was paid back within 18 months.

I believe the comments regarding administration come from a manager who was with us over 10 years ago. Not only is that period a very long time ago now, but saying administration was a ‘possibility’ whilst your assets massively outweighed your liabilities is like talking about the possibility of getting a bird pregnant whilst wearing an extra strength durex condom… highly unlikely to happen.

I disagree that an extra 20million with mediocre performances would see us go under, as there are far smaller clubs with bigger debts and smaller revenue and they aren’t all going to the wall. But the fundamental difference in what I have been suggesting is that we would have numerous contingency plans to cover us IF things didn’t go to plan.

Do you have figures to back this up mate ?
 
Do you have figures to back this up mate ?

I can’t be arsed mate, but the sales of Arteta and Bellefiled amounted to about 20million pound alone, then you have the money from the likes of Pienaar, Beckford, Yakubu and Vaughan. Add them all up and it totals somewhere in the region of 30m.
 
Instead of being 15th at Christmas and moaning that our "slow start" has hindered us entering European competition.

We're now 5th, so the onus is on the manager and the players to perform to a level that our best assets will find satisfactory.

If we balls it up and finish 8th we've only ourselves to blame, but it's quite refreshing to have a different challenge this time round, as opposed to every game pre-February being a bloody "six pointer".

F*cking make it happen Everton, these seventh place trophies do little to inspire us.
 
Hopefully Sheeds or Fox can confirm but as far as i'm aware it was a well known fact that Moyes was interested in the job.

Even if Moyes had made such a statement, is it possible to be anymore ambiguous than saying you are 'interested' in a job?

I know those two have good sources, but unless one of them is David Moyes himself, then it's not a lot more than hearsay.
 
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