Fellaini Has A Big Decision To Make

[Brennan]

It remains his opinion and nothing more, that is unless his source is David Moyes himself. Sheedy's account is the very definition of hearsay/Chinese whispers. I acknowledge that they have good sources (especially for the internet) but it is far from being fact.

I don't think you were jumped on mate, people were just asking you to substantiate what you were saying, like you did to me regarding the overdraft. It's good to have a forum like that.

The whole 'opinion as fact' thing is what annoyed me. Since when does somebody have to say 'imo' after everything ? It's obviously my opinion ffs.

IMO.

 

[Essex Blue]

Documents at Companies House show that certain debts were paid and new loans taken out recently. I believe these longer term loans were used to pay however much the overdraft needed to be reduced by. I think that where the stagnant comment stems.

The £5m loss isn't really a true reflection of our finances either. Without selling assets, players and properties, we would actually lose close to £15m a season/year.

The Arteta firesale was because all the other fixed assets had been sold and the club couldn't afford a massive headline loss as everybody we owe would have sheet the bed. Don't forget we didn't buy a proper player for three seasons and It's about four since we actually had a net spend.

There are smaller clubs with bigger debts, no doubt. The crucial thing is who the monies are owed to. Most owe to thier owner. Somebody will never liquidate a business that owes them money if they own it.

We arent in that boat.

I stand to be corrected, but I believe the Companies House records show the repayment of the small loans that we take out each summer to cover cash flow. We then do the same loan for another year before it is paid back. We still had to pay the overdraft back though when the bank demanded that we do so, an overdraft that was used to cover circa 5million pound losses over a number of years.

Surely you agree with this, otherwise there would be no explanation as to where all the Arteta and Bellefield money went, especially whilst you are also arguing that our debt has remained stagnant as you put it?

We really aren't in that bad of a position. Granted, we have to watch our expenditure, but we can be ambitious at the same time. For example, the club wouldn't (couldn't???) have racked up losses of 5million pound per year if they didn't have the foresight to apply for a 30million bank overdraft, and I doubt the bank would grant a 30million pound overdraft that is repayable on demand unless they had the confidence in Everton being able to do just that (pay it back on demand).

 

[Essex Blue]

Sheedy and Fox have a reputation on here for providing inside knowledge and they are very rarely wrong, if at all.

I see you only joined in October so maybe you haven't been reading this forum for a while but it's not like they've made it up.

Nobody is accusing them of making anything up, but people are questioning whether their sources are providers of the gospel truth, especially when we are discussing the hypothetical scenario as to whether Moyes would have moved to Spurs if he had been offered the job.

 

[Goat]

Nobody is accusing them of making anything up, but people are questioning whether their sources are providers of the gospel truth, especially when we are discussing the imaginary scenario as to whether Moyes would have moved to Spurs if he had been offered the job.

Why wouldnt Moyes have moved to Spurs if offered the job?

I suppose thats the bigger question.

 

[Essex Blue]

Why wouldnt Moyes have moved to Spurs if offered the job?

I suppose thats the bigger question.

A question that can be answered with loads of reasons.

Because he is perfectly happy picking up 3.5 million pound a year in his nice, warm house near Preston. Why would he want to give that up for a job that won't even pay much more, and which comes with a lot more expectation and a lot less security? A job which could ruin his reputation.

In a way he would have to start all over again, and he would be turning his back on his project at Everton, a project that he has worked on for over 10 years and which has contributed to him falling in love with Everton Football Club?

 

[Goat]

A question that can be answered with loads of reasons.

Because he is perfectly happy picking up 3.5 million pound a year in his nice, warm house near Preston. Why would he want to give that up for a job that won't even pay much more, and which comes with a lot more expectation and a lot less security? A job which could ruin his reputation.

In a way he would have to start all over again, and he would be turning his back on his project at Everton, a project that he has worked on for over 10 years and which has contributed to him falling in love with Everton Football Club?

Spurs paid Redknapp MUCH more than Moyes was on, so wages wouldnt be an issue, im sure his house would be warm in London.

He also would be able to build a squad, without having to worry about which player to sell to fund his transfer targets.

 

[tim cahill]

Spurs paid Redknapp MUCH more than Moyes was on, so wages wouldnt be an issue, im sure his house would be warm in London.

He also would be able to build a squad, without having to worry about which player to sell to fund his transfer targets.

Really???

Berbatov? Modric? Bale will be gone in the next year or two as well I imagine.

 

[Essex Blue]

Spurs paid Redknapp MUCH more than Moyes was on, so wages wouldnt be an issue, im sure his house would be warm in London.

He also would be able to build a squad, without having to worry about which player to sell to fund his transfer targets.

How much more was he on? I don't think he was on that much more at all, although I am happy to be corrected.

I don't need to talk down the Spurs job, because everyone, including myself, will acknowledge that it is a prestigious job that will come with many positives, but I don't know whether they would be enough to have Moyes jib off what he has with Everton.

I think Moyes is wise enough to realise that the grass really isn't always greener, and that he is living a very good life with Everton in the Northwest.

 

[Goat]

Really???

Berbatov? Modric? Bale will be gone in the next year or two as well I imagine.

They rejected a bid of 40m from Chelsea for Modric.

And sold Berbatov for 30m.

Also, im fairly sure Bale will be sold for megabucks also.

Its 1 thing selling players, every Club does it, its another thing HAVING to sell players.

 

[Goat]

How much more was he on? I don't think he was on that much more at all, although I am happy to be corrected.

I don't need to talk down the Spurs job, because everyone, including myself, will acknowledge that it is a prestigious job that will come with many positives, but I don't know whether they would be enough to have Moyes jib off what he has with Everton.

I think Moyes is wise enough to realise that the grass really isn't always greener, and that he is living a very good life with Everton in the Northwest.

Just so your aware, im possibly 1 of Moyes biggest fans, I love the man and think, Jose apart, hes the best Manager in World Football.

But if Spurs offered him the job, he would have gone like a rat up a drainpipe.

 

[tim cahill]

They rejected a bid of 40m from Chelsea for Modric.

And sold Berbatov for 30m.

Also, im fairly sure Bale will be sold for megabucks also.

Its 1 thing selling players, every Club does it, its another thing HAVING to sell players.

They still end up HAVING to sell their best players when they want to move on to a bigger club though. Don't think they got rid of Berbatov/Modric out of choice. They have more money at Spurs but status wise there isn't a huge amount between the clubs.

 

[Essex Blue]

Just so your aware, im possibly 1 of Moyes biggest fans, I love the man and think, Jose apart, hes the best Manager in World Football.

But if Spurs offered him the job, he would have gone like a rat up a drainpipe.

Well I don't rate Moyes anywhere near as much as you do, I just don't think there is a lot to substantiate the claim that Moyes would have jibbed off Everton in an instant as soon as Tottenham came calling.

I'm not naive enough to think he would hesitate to leave Everton through loyalty or anything like that, I just think it's possible that Moyes wouldn't want to lose what he has at Everton for an opportunity that has been described as a poisoned chalice in the past, and could very easily worsen his managerial reputation

 

[Walken]

Just so your aware, im possibly 1 of Moyes biggest fans, I love the man and think, Jose apart, hes the best Manager in World Football.

But if Spurs offered him the job, he would have gone like a rat up a drainpipe.

you think Jose is better than him

 

[Goat]

They still end up HAVING to sell their best players when they want to move on to a bigger club though. Don't think they got rid of Berbatov/Modric out of choice. They have more money at Spurs but status wise there isn't a huge amount between the clubs.

And United HAD to sell Ronaldo.

The fact is, United and Spurs both turned down massive offers for their best players.

Meanwhile, Spurs offers us 250k for our Club Captain.

 

[Goat]

you think Jose is better than him

Yes, Jose is number 1!!!