Everton's loan haven is attracting other clubs, says Roberto Martínez

[Pabbers]

There is absolutely no reason with a proper chairman and board at the helm that we should not be competing for purchasing players

But nobody is handing them out.

 

[Dell Boy]

There is absolutely no reason with a proper chairman and board at the helm that we should not be competing for purchasing players

That's a whole other issue. Faced with the constraints he has, Martinez playing the loan system is positive. Argue all you want that we need a new investor etc but in the here and now we have to deal with the cards we've been given.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

There is absolutely no reason with a proper chairman and board at the helm that we should not be competing for purchasing players

What World Class talent like Deulofeu & Lukaku?

Firstly, where's the £25-30m a piece magically coming from? & secondly, do you seriously think we would be a preferred permanent destination for talent of that calibre, when top clubs all over Europe would be clamouring to sign them?

What Martinez has done is use the loan market cleverly & to maximise the opportunity it gives him.

 

[Dell Boy]

It's no good trying to make a virtue out of a necessity. It's something we have to do (and we have a manager who can be flexible and operate that way), but it's a recipe for treading water.

We have people in control of the club who are letting us down badly. Regardless of the obvious fact that they have not (and will not) put a penny into the club themselves, there is huge amounts of cash coming into Everton from tv revenue and player sales, but the manager is not getting the benefit. It's either diverted into some arcane costing on the accounts or simply credited to paying down debts that never seem to get any smaller year on year.

This loan strategy just underlines how poorly run and off the pace we are as an organisation.

How can bringing in good players at relatively modest cost be treading water? I'm not doubting that a chairman should be putting more cash into the club, but isn't the loan market a decent model for the modern day? And if we/Martinez build a reputation for handling them well then it's all good surely>!?!

 

[milkshock]

That's a whole other issue. Faced with the constraints he has, Martinez playing the loan system is positive. Argue all you want that we need a new investor etc but in the here and now we have to deal with the cards we've been given.

Clubs are awash with TV revenue so there is no excuse for us to be restricted to a few short term loans.

 

[Dell Boy]

Clubs are awash with TV revenue so there is no excuse for us to be restricted to a few short term loans.

That's a different issue. The point here is if Martinez can get a reputation (and deliver) on loaning talented players then that can only be good for the club. Certainly for the next few years anyway

 

[technojoe]

Dave do you see any of the following happening:

A - Baines new contract
B - Ross new contract
C - lukaku staying next season
D - barca kid staying next season

I see none of the above occurring personally

B - Ross new contract
D - barca kid staying next season

 

[BoysInBlue]

It's no good trying to make a virtue out of a necessity. It's something we have to do (and we have a manager who can be flexible and operate that way), but it's a recipe for treading water.

We have people in control of the club who are letting us down badly. Regardless of the obvious fact that they have not (and will not) put a penny into the club themselves, there is huge amounts of cash coming into Everton from tv revenue and player sales, but the manager is not getting the benefit. It's either diverted into some arcane costing on the accounts or simply credited to paying down debts that never seem to get any smaller year on year.

This loan strategy just underlines how poorly run and off the pace we are as an organisation.

For once I don't agree with you. Yes, it's a broken record regarding the board. We know all the ins & outs.

Martinez has devised a strategy of developing strategic relationships with wealthier clubs that will enable us to improve on the field & as a result, develop financially off it.

It's a strategy that Moyes, for all of his successes, didn't exploit to the fullest level.

We are already having a success with it. If we finish in the top 4 we will improve the clubs financial position. It is a way of doing so that does not involve an injection of cash or a new board, neither of which are in the horizon & likely never will be.

It's not a recipe to tread water as long as the loan choices are good players that allow us to finish high up the league in positions that will improve our finances. Sustained success with this strategy will result in a stronger club & longer lasting results.

Football is a season by season business. It really doesn't matter if 1-3 players change every summer. That is manageable change. & the turnover of new faces keeps the playing staff fresh.

 

[allen]

I just don't see how these loan successes can be spun negatively.

If Lukaku and Deulofeu help elevate our performances to the next level, that can only be a benefit. If (big if) we finish fourth because of their contributions, that allows us to think about buying such Champions League-class players. We can't reasonably think about buying them now because we're not in the CL and don't have the cash. Finish fourth and we'll have both.

 

[turner]

This could only be a negative in the following circumstances:

1) Martinez has shown he brings in crap loanees
2) We're not loaning any of our players out to other teams to allow them to get experience
3) Martinez has no faith in our youth and refuses to give them first team experience
4) We have a large squad
5) We have a similar finances as our competitors

The fact that we are paying a decent wage to Hibbert, Naismith and Heitinga shows that actually owning a player is no guarantee that they have any resale value, and that they also represent a significant risk.

Matinez is a smart man, and if anyone can play the loan system to Everton's advantage, it's him.

 

[MartSlinger]

Dave do you see any of the following happening:

A - Baines new contract
B - Ross new contract
C - lukaku staying next season
D - barca kid staying next season

I see none of the above occurring personally

Funny this post. By all accounts Baines probably has had a contract offered to him, but hasnt signed it. So lets tick 'A' off. Barkley will almost certainly get a new contract and will 100% sign it, so lets tick 'B' off. Lukaku staying next season isnt out of the question, yet, neither is Deulofeu, so you know what, lets tick 'C' and 'D' off as well.

 

[Dell Boy]

Dave do you see any of the following happening:

A - Baines new contract
B - Ross new contract
C - lukaku staying next season
D - barca kid staying next season

I see none of the above occurring personally

A - I think the smart move would be to sell. Notwithstanding the fact that Baines may not agree a new contract anyway
B - Yes I can see this
C - 50:50 or we get someone else
D - Yep

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

For once I don't agree with you. Yes, it's a broken record regarding the board. We know all the ins & outs.

Martinez has devised a strategy of developing strategic relationships with wealthier clubs that will enable us to improve on the field & as a result, develop financially off it.

It's a strategy that Moyes, for all of his successes, didn't exploit to the fullest level.

We are already having a success with it. If we finish in the top 4 we will improve the clubs financial position. It is a way of doing so that does not involve an injection of cash or a new board, neither of which are in the horizon & likely never will be.

It's not a recipe to tread water as long as the loan choices are good players that allow us to finish high up the league in positions that will improve our finances. Sustained success with this strategy will result in a stronger club & longer lasting results.

Football is a season by season business. It really doesn't matter if 1-3 players change every summer. That is manageable change. & the turnover of new faces keeps the playing staff fresh.

Nailed it mate.

 

[collymcd]

For me there's no negatives in this whatsoever. Traditionally we always bolstered the squad with loanees. Due to the nature of the loan market these players have almost exclusively been aging players, players recovering from bad injuries or bad spells of form. What they have provided for us is squad depth at a low cost and possibly a future transfer if we can spark them in to life. Unfortunately, the market we have been operating in has mean't that most of these players have been a bit jarg. Nonetheless they provided a bit of depth which is the fundamental point of their one season with us.

What's happened now, as Bobby has said, is that clubs are willing to offer us their £20m starlets. This effectively means that our 'depth' no longer consists of battle-axes with no knees but instead of fresh-faced hungry players who are the cream of Europe. This is a significant improvement both on and off the pitch. Make no mistake about it.

How boss is it being an Evertonian right now?

 

[Zatara]

If we got champs league we could loan 4 more players next season whilst signing Barry + one potential superstar (lukaku?). If this worked again for another season we could then sign another of these players (deulofeu?) Whilst loaning another 4 players*following season.

Of course this is a simplistic example BUT the model is there to follow and enables us to organically grow.

On top of that, any young player will WANT to play with these types of guys and will get more exposure as well as wanting to play for Martinez and most importantly Everton.

One thing no one has mentioned....Martinez seems to have got a big name loan signing lined up for January talking like this.