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. It's actually catarrh. And yes, it's one of those tricky words to spell, like 'diarrhoea'*
So, just remember that both catarrh and diarhhoea have an unusual 'rrh' letter arrangement in their spelling, and going forward, you should be good with both words.

*NB: yanks drop the 'o' and spell it diarrhea
Sorry to bring this up, my friend, but I couldn't help but notice you've ignored your own excellent 'rrh' advice here. Bank holidays, eh? :p

As for the other one - defined as:

excessive discharge or build-up of mucus in the nose or throat, associated with inflammation of the mucous membrane

... my preferred spelling is actually Carragher.
 
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I think the decision was half made for them, the PSG result, Spurs still in the CL and Zinedan going to Real...who else is there.
How good they do the clear out / replace thing will be how long he stays

United should have done the patently obvious and had a shortlist of proven managers who have improved players and teams at their previous posts and favour an attacking brand of football.

Common sense though hasn't featured very highly in some of their recent hirings and firings, so although this sounds as if its a given for any club, I wouldn't be absolutely certain with Woodward and the United hierarchy. Haphazard and spur of the moment, or responding to fan or media pressure, seems to be more their way.

I'm far from sure Pochettino was unattainable if they had really gone all out with money no object, he would have been extortionately expensive but 100% better than some of their other totally misguided investments, Sanchez which wrecked their whole pay structure and meant paying more on their other underperforming stars wages too.

After PSG both Spurs and United were still in Europe but hindsight was unavailable and Spurs victory over City hadn't happened yet.


Poch complained of a lack of any sort of level playing field with their main domestic rivals, they had stumbled in the league and fallen off the terrific pace set at the very top.

He was in the midst of his troubles with the first team decimated by injuries to key personnel including Kane, Son, Ali Davies etc.

Poch said he thought it five years before they could hope to compete properly and complained at being judged on trophies by the media with such inherant disadvantages.

Poch had practically been shouting from the rooftops 'get me put of here' as he recognized that Spurs ceiling and realistic limits for achievement may have already been reached.

Spurs have a rigid and relatively low paying wage structure most of their stars could get huge increases at virtually any other top prem club, a real handicap in attracting top new talent from abroad and especially in keeping their current stars too.

Eriksen may leave in the summer as his contract is up but the fear is he may be the first of many as each contract comes up for renewal.

Five years is a massive chunk in some of these stars' careers, there's no guarantees they'll still be there then and such competitiveness ever reached.

United by comparison are one of the biggest names and richest clubs around with huge revenue streams already in place, a move there would have meant full backing for transfers and being able to compete now and not in five years.

Pochettino's achievements at Spurs are truly remarkable but they are financially a smaller club than United and the wage structure and constraints on spending to give a ceiling even to the most ambitious dreams, United's ceiling is far, far higher and the possibilities endless.

The point with Solskjaer is he's unproven so you can't judge as he's been left these players.

He's unproven at transfers, integrating new players and building gradually a top side, evolving tactics as they go on and coping with the ups and downs of a whole season.

He's unproven so we can't judge now on no evidence?

Did United have to take a risk with an unproven manager?

No of course not

Pochettino, and they may have tried really hard or they may have just balked at the potential difficulty, and thought the easier and far more popular route easier to follow, was one of an obviously far higher calibre and proven ability who with better resources and backing would have a great chance of winning things, but there are other proven managers too.

What they needed was someone who improves players, is prepared to bring younger talent through if good enough and has an attacking style of football. Ideally he will have several years of experience of doing so and better still at more than one club and perhaps also clubs of differing stature.

Poch ticks all these boxes but other managers tick all or most too.

Ole failed at Cardiff, Pochettino was a success at Southampton, but Poch isn't the only suitable candidate.

Unfortunately for all he was a great player at United, he may be a success or a disaster as a manager.

United didn't have to take the chance, they didn't have to listen to the clamour from the fans and media, they could have at least been more sensible and waited longer.

They didn't.
 
Olé could be a success, he may have the managerial ability, and tactically at times he has looked very good especially during his golden start, a start he deserved great credit for as it continued after the expected initial easy fixtures and bounce but this is but a small, even tiny, part of any managers skill set.

When things have gone wrong, as of now, is a new test, the players have reverted to their earlier under achievement and the task is seen for the enormous job it is.

It's far harder for any manager when the wheels fall off, especially if the underlying reasons are beyond his control atm and need extensive reconstruction involving time and transfer windows.

He'll be given the chance and as he's so unproven, may be a success or an abject failure, the jury is out, there is far too little evidence to make a judgement either way. Unlike Pep or Klopp there is no suitable credible evidence from previous posts to inspire confidence only the fact that he was a great player in his time.

Solskjaer to me is a huge risk, has an enormous job on his hands, and may pass or fail, but given the enormity of it it will possibly be more surprising if he can complete it with any real degree of success. A technical director appointed yesterday or last month would help enormously, this is far too big a job for even a far more experienced and perhaps far more suitable candidate, help is badly needed.

With Poch, United could have given him £500million to spend. Levy will give him £50milllion if that. (Over a period not one window)

Solskjaer is an absolutely huge risk and one they didnt have to take.
 

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United should have done the patently obvious and had a shortlist of proven managers who have improved players and teams at their previous posts and favour an attacking brand of football.

Common sense though hasn't featured very highly in some of their recent hirings and firings, so although this sounds as if its a given for any club, I wouldn't be absolutely certain with Woodward and the United hierarchy. Haphazard and spur of the moment, or responding to fan or media pressure, seems to be more their way.

I'm far from sure Pochettino was unattainable if they had really gone all out with money no object, he would have been extortionately expensive but 100% better than some of their other totally misguided investments, Sanchez which wrecked their whole pay structure and meant paying more on their other underperforming stars wages too.

After PSG both Spurs and United were still in Europe but hindsight was unavailable and Spurs victory over City hadn't happened yet.


Poch complained of a lack of any sort of level playing field with their main domestic rivals, they had stumbled in the league and fallen off the terrific pace set at the very top.

He was in the midst of his troubles with the first team decimated by injuries to key personnel including Kane, Son, Ali Davies etc.

Poch said he thought it five years before they could hope to compete properly and complained at being judged on trophies by the media with such inherant disadvantages.

Poch had practically been shouting from the rooftops 'get me put of here' as he recognized that Spurs ceiling and realistic limits for achievement may have already been reached.

Spurs have a rigid and relatively low paying wage structure most of their stars could get huge increases at virtually any other top prem club, a real handicap in attracting top new talent from abroad and especially in keeping their current stars too.

Eriksen may leave in the summer as his contract is up but the fear is he may be the first of many as each contract comes up for renewal.

Five years is a massive chunk in some of these stars' careers, there's no guarantees they'll still be there then and such competitiveness ever reached.

United by comparison are one of the biggest names and richest clubs around with huge revenue streams already in place, a move there would have meant full backing for transfers and being able to compete now and not in five years.

Pochettino's achievements at Spurs are truly remarkable but they are financially a smaller club than United and the wage structure and constraints on spending to give a ceiling even to the most ambitious dreams, United's ceiling is far, far higher and the possibilities endless.

The point with Solskjaer is he's unproven so you can't judge as he's been left these players.

He's unproven at transfers, integrating new players and building gradually a top side, evolving tactics as they go on and coping with the ups and downs of a whole season.

He's unproven so we can't judge now on no evidence?

Did United have to take a risk with an unproven manager?

No of course not

Pochettino, and they may have tried really hard or they may have just balked at the potential difficulty, and thought the easier and far more popular route easier to follow, was one of an obviously far higher calibre and proven ability who with better resources and backing would have a great chance of winning things, but there are other proven managers too.

What they needed was someone who improves players, is prepared to bring younger talent through if good enough and has an attacking style of football. Ideally he will have several years of experience of doing so and better still at more than one club and perhaps also clubs of differing stature.

Poch ticks all these boxes but other managers tick all or most too.

Ole failed at Cardiff, Pochettino was a success at Southampton, but Poch isn't the only suitable candidate.

Unfortunately for all he was a great player at United, he may be a success or a disaster as a manager.

United didn't have to take the chance, they didn't have to listen to the clamour from the fans and media, they could have at least been more sensible and waited longer.

They didn't.
Short version; Woodward is the problem?
 
I did hear Sky apologise for failing in their efforts to "blot out" out the obscene chants (from Utd) fans, so maybe there is a degree of sound censorship for what reaches viewers ears.
 
I did hear Sky apologise for failing in their efforts to "blot out" out the obscene chants (from Utd) fans, so maybe there is a degree of sound censorship for what reaches viewers ears.

There deffo is. Cant remember the match, but the crowd started singing some song about how crap Sky was, and they very quickly blotted it out using some "standard" crown noise from a random game instead.
 

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