Everton Fans Conference 2012 Tonight Recap - Elstone, Jags, Baines, Sharp

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Thats not democratic for a supposed Socialist like Kenwright.

It's completely democratic, 1 vote per share.

The idea of one vote per shareholder is idiotic.

Irrespective of my views on Kenwright that was never going to happen & the threat of calling EGM's repeatedly if they didn't get their wish, forced the majority shareholders into changing the articles.
 
Elstone's a joke. Pouring scorn on another club's stadium plans to hide behind the fact he and Billy Liar have zero plans to change our own stadium situation - a lamentable state of affairs dragging on for their 13 year tenure of utter failure.

The city council are to blame
the blue union are to blame
The Prudential are to blame

...when are these cowards ever going to put their hands up themselves and admit THEY are to blame?
 
Definitly got to look into this Stadium move, the old girl is looking tired, however it makes great sense what Elstone says about the RS development of their place. Incidentally Football focus has been going around Analfield and just been in their dressing room.....I have got changed in better on a sunday they just dont have the facilities. As working for Brighton I have been behind the scenes of their new ground and if we ever need inspiration for a ground design with great sound the The Amex Stadium on a larger scale would be perfect. There has to be an investor out there that wants to buy us or invest, this is a really really big season because if we continue our great start right until the end we will surely get what we have craved for so long and take us to the next level.
 
One man = one vote = democracy.
I see - so let's follow the logic of what you are saying....

Everton have 35,000 shares.

Let's say that someone crazy enough to want to buy us buys up all the shares for say £100m. That is, all but two shares because the two people who bought them ages ago for £1,000 don't want to sell. So he has 34,988 shares.

Under your system the two minority shareholders would be able to tell the fella who has spent £100m what to do because their two votes would outvote his one vote.

It is a patently bollocks idea and is why it does not happen in any business around the world.
 
Elstone's a joke. Pouring scorn on another club's stadium plans to hide behind the fact he and Billy Liar have zero plans to change our own stadium situation - a lamentable state of affairs dragging on for their 13 year tenure of utter failure.

The city council are to blame
the blue union are to blame
The Prudential are to blame

...when are these cowards ever going to put their hands up themselves and admit THEY are to blame?

Nail on the head.

I hope someone asked how we're supposed to believe a word he says after all the lies he's spouted in the past.
 
Elstone's a joke. Pouring scorn on another club's stadium plans to hide behind the fact he and Billy Liar have zero plans to change our own stadium situation - a lamentable state of affairs dragging on for their 13 year tenure of utter failure.

The city council are to blame
the blue union are to blame
The Prudential are to blame

...when are these cowards ever going to put their hands up themselves and admit THEY are to blame?

Don't forget also that the new TV money ain't going on players....

Good report though. Cheers
 
Alright lads, just thought I'd let you know about the Everton Fans Conference that I was lucky enough to attend tonight at Goodison. It was a free two hour event in the Alex Young Suite, for season ticket holders who have had their ticket for the past 10 or more consecutive years. Robert Elstone, Leighton Baines, Phil Jagielka and Graeme Sharp were the main speakers. Alan Irwin from Radio City was the compere. There was about 100 or so fans. Free scouse and free bottles of Chang for everyone. Everyone attending was given an A3 size team photo poster that was personalised with their own name on, that could be signed by Baines & Jags, as well as smaller photos of Jags, Baines and also Sharpy.

Main points of interest:

- Baines & Jagielka were interviewed. Irwin asked them about their experiences midweek with England, and what their first hand accounts of the events were. Both seemed really nice, down to earth lads. Irwin was joking with them about loading up on caffeine and sleeping tablets, but Jags just said he slept like a log after coming back from the postponed game, after a midnight table tennis match with Gary Cahill. They spoke a bit about our progress this season, and how QPR could be a banana skin if we're not careful. Baines spoke about the signing of Hitzlsperger, and how he's a great lad, has looked in training, and could be useful in the next two games for keeping things secure in front of the defence. They then spent about 30 minutes going around all the tables, posing for a group photo at each table, as well as some individual photos, and signed autographs for every one. It was really nice meeting them. After this, they left.

- Robert Elstone spoke next. Amongst the interesting things of note:
*Investment - nothing has changed. Club continues to talk to people. Confidentially agreements are signed. Interested parties then disappear. Reasons for their departures from the negotiating table are either unknown, or can't be stated publicly due to the confidentiality agreement. Club is currently holding meeting with a new interested party. Watch this space! He didn't actually say 'Watch this space'.

*Stadium - the most interesting thing he said was about this subject. The biggest news is that the club is finally seeing the light, and is moving away from the idea of a retail-led stadium development. Hooray! Finding the money for a new stadium is as hard as ever. Staying at Goodison is still not an option, because the time and costs for buying properties, knocking down streets, renovating a stand at a time, for a meagre increase in seats, no prospect of stadium rights because everyone would still call it Goodison, lack of major increase in executive facilities etc, means it is a non-starter and not feasible.

Ah, but what about LFC, I hear you cry! Well, Elstone was interestingly rather sceptical about the LFC plans, saying that they only said they were redeveloping Anfield because they didn't just want to announce the bad news that they weren't building on Stanley Park after all. He's very sceptical about how LFC will fund it, saying £150m for an increase of 15,000 seats is £10,000 per extra seat, which is exorbitant and not worth it. He doubted the ease at which houses will be bought up. He basically said if redeveloping Anfield was so easy, why have they spent 12 years trying to move to a new stadium. He was careful with what he said, but he later agreed with a fans question about how LCC was basically favouring them over us, that LFC do little for the local community whereas we do loads and win awards for it, that LCC needs 'dynamic members who want to help us and who aren't there at the moment'. He said Joe Anderson is a good blue and tries, but even as the leader, he's only one man.

He touched on the Park End development. He confirmed that the plan stalled because Prudential who own a very small part of the Goodison footprint would not release equity on the land and were very unreasonable and wanted to draw up new loan agreements which the club disagreed with. He said it isn't dead in the water, but that they're working on something to do with it.

He said AGMs are still banned because Kenwright and the board are still upset over the last time AGMs were held and 'proxies' tried to disrupt things by asking for repeated EGMs. He said matters weren't help by Kenwright feeling he was betrayed by all the Blue Union stuff last season. A return of AGMs is not imminent.

He apologised for the Leyton Orient game ticketing fiasco, saying they screwed up and sold twice as many tickets to be picked up on the night as they should have done.

He said they will be launching a new thing for the Sunderland game where home match tickets bought on line can be printed out and brought to the game to use, similar to how you can do that for concert tickets with Ticketmaster.

There's a feeling within the other Prem clubs that when the new Sky/BT money arrives next summer, that they shouldn't give it to the players and instead they should keep it and use on the club. What a novel idea! He said there might be a change to UEFA Fair Play Financial rules to ensure this happens.

He mentioned how keeping Goodison updated is a costly on-going issue, saying they spent £300,000 on improving the toilets at the ground this past summer. Yes, THREE HUNDRED GRAND.

He said there's little chance of ticket prices being reduced in the future, as EFC are already competitively priced.

He said the debt isn't decreasing, is currently being serviced, but on the bright side, isn't increasing either. Nor would the bank let them increase it. Although he said the club do have a good relationship with the banks.

He said the upcoming figures for 2011/2012 wouldn't be very good. Gates dropped to an average of 33k last season and tv money was down due to being featured far less.

He said there was money in the transfer pot for January, for maybe a loan or a permanent signing (money that had been allocated for the Belgian lad move that fell through).

He spoke for about 35 mins, then another 10 mins at the end. He came across well, as always. The questions from the fans weren't softballs either and he dealt with it well.

Sharp then spoke a bit for the final part. He basically talked about the season so far, saying we should have played a full strength team vs Leeds, but he understands why Moyes didn't. He basically said what Sharp normally says on the radio, that we can challenge for 4th, etc.

All in all, it was good event. Easy to be cynical about stuff, but other clubs wouldn't be doing stuff like this for the fans, so fair do's to them.

That's all I can remember off the top of my head. If anyone has any questions about anything else said, I'll try to answer them.

hmmm..
 
A bunch of people (who may or may not now be in the Blue Union - I'm not sure) demanded to know 'where all the money had gone' and vehemently disagreed with many aspects of the Kirkby move. When they weren't happy with the answers that Kenwright gave, they called an EGM (this happened in Sept 2008). The EGM didn't go well, and the dissenters threatened to keep calling EGMs (which each have to take place within a 14 day period of being requested, I think) until they got the answers they wanted, feeling the club weren't listening to them.

So the club simply scrapped holding AGMs altogether, so no EGMs could be called anymore.

Cut and paste from Tom Hughes on toffeeweb.

Tom Hughes
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Rory,
Thanks for the quite detailed report.
Unfortunately, Robert Elstone has twisted the truth slightly. He has to, because the truth would be far less palatable. AGM's weren't stopped because of the proxy issue. They were stopped because they couldn't answer the questions anymore. The club was in financial meltdown, they had embarked on a complete non-starter of a stadium project that was supported only by lies and they had been found out.... The current incumbents had no plan and had been found out. Consequently, the SHAREHOLDERS were in open revolt..... nothing to do with proxies at all.
On one occasion I did give my invite up to a proxy (as I was out of the country) who did pose some painful questions to the board. As the head of LCC and a season ticket holder for decades I think he was entitled to pose questions, especially as he was responding to lies aimed at the council. The board wilted when they realised who was asking the questions, as they could no longer lie.

The stadium statements are also laughable. These people have either no idea whatsoever, or they are determined to hide on this issue. Liverpool are adding 15k seats for £150m. This doesn't mean that it's £10k per seat has it may actually be more than 20k new seats dependent on the breakdown. There may also be anything from 50-150 new boxes..... the cost may also include the new hotel development. The bottom line is they will end up with a 60k+ stadium and all anciliaries for less than half the price of the Stanley Park stadium i.e. it is often the cheaper option. As far as acquiring houses LFC already own most of them because they planned ahead. The council thing is another inaccuracy. The planning department is headed by an Evertonian as is the council itself. The planning officer has stated repeatedly over the years that they are very open to redevelopment proposals, and that there are possibilities that haven't yet been explored as the club have simply not asked. Therefore, it's far more easy to conclude that most of these utterances are far more likely to be "lipservice" prompted purely by the simple fact that LFC have disproved the club's long held defensive stance. They are continually found out or proven wrong.

They are also not the only club who engages the fans in forums.
 
Elstone's a joke. Pouring scorn on another club's stadium plans to hide behind the fact he and Billy Liar have zero plans to change our own stadium situation - a lamentable state of affairs dragging on for their 13 year tenure of utter failure.

The city council are to blame
the blue union are to blame
The Prudential are to blame

...when are these cowards ever going to put their hands up themselves and admit THEY are to blame?

They have. They've admitted they are skint and have little money.

They're trying to sell the club. No one has bought it. Many people think this is their fault. There is no proof for this though.

The reality is that unless you are privvy to the supposed meetings that go on in trying to sell the club, you don't know and it's just your negative opinion of the situation. Not fact.

Also, he is perfectly entitled to his opinion on the Liverpool stadium plans, given that critics like yourself throw it back in his face, saying, "Look what the RS are doing! Why can't we do that?!" when the likely reality is that Liverpool's plans are just as much made of utter bullsh*t as anything Everton ever say or do.
 
They have. They've admitted they are skint and have little money.

They're trying to sell the club. No one has bought it. Many people think this is their fault. There is no proof for this though.

The reality is that unless you are privvy to the supposed meetings that go on in trying to sell the club, you don't know and it's just your negative opinion of the situation. Not fact.

13 years after taking control...

  • zero investment
  • two failed stadium schemes
  • relations with local authorities - destroyed
  • debt doubled
  • club assets/services - sold off/subcontracted out
  • trophies won - nil
Fact.

Also, he is perfectly entitled to his opinion on the Liverpool stadium plans, given that critics like yourself throw it back in his face, saying, "Look what the RS are doing! Why can't we do that?!" when the likely reality is that Liverpool's plans are just as much made of utter bullsh*t as anything Everton ever say or do.

Is he? If I was someone who'd let my own house fall into such disrepair I'd been openly telling everyone it was falling down around my ears and I had no chance of moving to anything better, I certainly wouldn't dream of looking smugly over the fence at a neighbour who'd maintained their home but failed to move to a bigger house. It just underlines how bankrupt this regime is that they have the brass neck to do exactly that.
 
Is he? If I was someone who'd let my own house fall into such disrepair I'd been openly telling everyone it was falling down around my ears and I had no chance of moving to anything better, I certainly wouldn't dream of looking smugly over the fence at a neighbour who'd maintained their home but failed to move to a bigger house. It just underlines how bankrupt this regime is that they have the brass neck to do exactly that.

He wasn't having a pop about them not moving to SP, he was giving his opinion around their proposed redevelopment of Anfield, he's cynical about their intentions & I share his cynicism tbh, as I don't think that FSG will ever lay a brick either.

It has no real relevance to our own stadium situation, we all know that we're goosed in that regard, not least Elstone.
 
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