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tommye
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If its dodgy you can ban me forever. Promise it's legit xx
NorthernBlue
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Moved house about 4 years ago and had a Rayburn. Had it about a year and it was a right chew. Couldn’t hang around in the kitchen in the summer unless we left door and windows open as it was constantly ticking over. Got it serviced and the engineer said it wasn’t burning right or something and was potentially dangerous. So got rid and got a modern boiler put it. Took three of us to get it out of the house on a sack barrow. It’s still in the garden like a monolith.
Very few (if any) of the criticisms in this video are relevant to ground source pumps. They all seem to be issues with air pumps.
The common points, however, are valid:
1) insulate your home for best effect (although this is true of any heating system!)
2) bigger radiators or, better still, underfloor heating will be more efficient and cost effective (just the same as with gas, strangely enough)
3) you will have to invest some cash up front for installation costs.
Yes, some recent experience. Mrs. Tree project managed the installation of a ground source pump linked up to wet underfloor heating in a renovation of a commercial building on an agricultural site a couple years back ( she took a sabbatical from teaching ).
The best way to look at it is this: you can either spend a ton of money on gas / oil / electricity / logs / coal and continue heating your house that way ( one of these fuel choices will suit you better than the others ) but you are just spending money and the fuel of choice will get more expensive over time... Or you can spend cash on modifying your home so that it is less reliant on burning fuel in order to get and stay warm.
The question is, how much can you spend? If budgeting needs to be strict, start with insulation: if you keep your existing heating system you can still improve your situation by insulating properly. If there's money left to play with, look at installing solar panels to provide electricity , thus reducing your yearly spend on bought-in electricity.
Personally I would go for a ground source pump in a heartbeat. I've been in the building Mrs. Tree oversaw and it works perfectly. BUT I am the sort of person who switches the heating off in March and wears shorts from then until bonfire night... People who feel the cold might say differently.
Baines' left foot
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I turned down buying a flat a few years ago because it had electric heating and I was worried about the expense and selling it on. Now I’m wondering if it’s the way forward.
Baines' left foot
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Good post. I remember studying ground source heat pumps at uni when I did my construction management degree but they haven’t been talked about very much up until recently. The initial cost was always the main blocker.
I would think that by getting a ground source heat pump you are future proofing your home, which could make it more valuable and more attractive to buyers. Not that any property struggles to sell these days.
My Mom has a friend who has had ground source pump heating installed. She's been complaining like mad it doesn't heat the house properly. From what I gather she's been trying to use it like her old boiler. Timed for certain times of the day.
Her son reckons it needs to be left on constantly to produce a stable temperature. Would that be right? I've got a feeling they neglected the insulation bit too, like.
Best advice I can give @GrandOldTeam is get a hot water bottle and do the following
Boil a pan of water, fill up hot water bottle.
That'll keep you snug through the night.
In the morning, the water will be warm so empty 3/4 of the hot water bottle and that will do your wash.
With the remaining 1/4 of the warm water left you can either have a lukewarm cuppa or leave it in a cup on the window ledge and in about half an hour you'll have a nice cold glass of water
Repeat daily, jobs a goodun
Boil a pan of water, fill up hot water bottle.
That'll keep you snug through the night.
In the morning, the water will be warm so empty 3/4 of the hot water bottle and that will do your wash.
With the remaining 1/4 of the warm water left you can either have a lukewarm cuppa or leave it in a cup on the window ledge and in about half an hour you'll have a nice cold glass of water
Repeat daily, jobs a goodun
Can only imagine the misery involved to get it out the house...
Cheers.
Mentioned ground pumps as a proposed solution in the first post. Issue I have is I've yet been able to find anyone who has used one in a domestic setting. Concern is how reliable they are and if they're as effective (+ Hot water, too._. I wonder if installers have other motivations to install them?
Leading me to have this concern;
It's my concern, this.
As I understand it, if you was doing a new build - with underfloor heating etc - it would make sense.
Might not be so good in an old house but I'm not sure - really.
chrismpw
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Yes - my udersrandingbis they run continuously to warm through the house, because they're slow. Its only a pump though, so cheap to run.
chrismpw
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Christ with a biscuit .... this stopped me thinking of getting one dead in my tracks ..... if I'm paying around 800 a year in gas for heating then saving £25 a year simoly isn't worth the hassle and expense (circa 20k). Much better savings if using oil or leccy though.
www.which.co.uk
Ground source heat pump costs and savings - Which?
How much you should expect to pay for a ground source heat pump, and whether it could save you on your heating bills.
Christ with a biscuit .... this stopped me thinking of getting one dead in my tracks ..... if I'm paying around 800 a year in gas for heating then saving £25 a year simoly isn't worth the hassle and expense (circa 20k). Much better savings if using oil or leccy though.
Ground source heat pump costs and savings - Which?
How much you should expect to pay for a ground source heat pump, and whether it could save you on your heating bills.
Thanks for that link.
I'm finding oil to be the same, if not cheaper than gas mate.
Early days but if what they're telling me the property has always used with previous oil deliveries and what I'm using stays consistent, it'll work out cheaper than I was paying on gas and that was before prices have gone silly.
Also the link you shared says the savings are similar?
Average oil heating system (£20 - £30)
Average gas heating system (£25 - £30)
I'd hope and expect those costs come down if they take off as a mainstream energy source.Christ with a biscuit .... this stopped me thinking of getting one dead in my tracks ..... if I'm paying around 800 a year in gas for heating then saving £25 a year simoly isn't worth the hassle and expense (circa 20k). Much better savings if using oil or leccy though.
Ground source heat pump costs and savings - Which?
How much you should expect to pay for a ground source heat pump, and whether it could save you on your heating bills.
He's not everyone's cup of tea, but George Monbiot was banging on about retrofitting homes to be better insulated with more carbon friendly Heat sources 20 years ago. Moving to the passivhaus standard for new builds etc.
No political will and resistance from the major housebuilding companies mean we've now started to panic a little. A phased long term transition would have been ideal. But that takes vision and balls.
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