No not really. When he turned 18 he couldn’t get into our U23s and required much work on his hold up play , positioning, heading etc. The timing now is right for him , whether he makes it or not who knows but I don’t think there can be any complaints about how the club have handled him .
There's a difference between a hugely experienced manager who sees how those players compare in training every day and us. And once again, we're saying a kid who has not even made his senior debut by the time he's 20 should be "given a chance" before a guy with well over 100 top flight goals and 18 international goals. Tosun may well be "crap", but he's a heck of a lot better than Simms. By the time Tosun was Simms age he'd got over 20 goals in the Turkish top flight, but some kid who can only get a gig with Blackpool is better than him
I'm not agreeing with them one way or the other. And tbh what he does with Turkey is largely irrelevant, it's what he does on the pitch for us that matters.
How is it like that? No-one is comparing them, and they're not even that comparable. For a start Sancho came from Watford only a few years before he left City.
Again, don't care about a semi final for Brazil years ago, what matters is performances for us.
See this is the problem. You're completely mis-representing people's words and posts, so how are you supposed to form a sensible argument against people when you're not even arguing against what they're actually saying, as opposed to what your seem to have got in your head.
No-one wants him to dislodge James or Richarlison tho. Again, pretty much no one has said that.
Exactly.
Why should a player be "given a chance"? I would think the manager would be basing his decisions on performances both in training and in previous matches. For a young player, like Simms or Gordon, they can only really hope to impress in training because youth team games are no comparison to the senior football that their rivals for a spot have got in their locker. Given that their senior rivals have shown they can perform to a reasonable level in senior football (and the youngsters haven't), then they will have to really tear it up in training. If they're not "given a chance" then we can probably assume they're not doing that.
It's a different level isn't it? Moise Keen is the same age as Simms and has nearly 100 top flight games under his belt and 27 goals, not to mention 8 Italian caps. He's being deemed not good enough for us and yet Simms seemingly is? It's bonkers logic. We're apparently interested in this kid from Bayern, who is a year younger than Simms, and you presume is being targeted with the first team in mind, not a loan to a bog average Championship side.
Didn't even go to Turkey until he was 19 and a half, and only scored 12 in his first season there, and twelve more the next. Simms turned twenty about 2 weeks ago.
Still hardly comparable, is it?
Stick to the political thread Bruce ........your grasp of youth football is about the same .......There's a difference between a hugely experienced manager who sees how those players compare in training every day and us. And once again, we're saying a kid who has not even made his senior debut by the time he's 20 should be "given a chance" before a guy with well over 100 top flight goals and 18 international goals. Tosun may well be "crap", but he's a heck of a lot better than Simms. By the time Tosun was Simms age he'd got over 20 goals in the Turkish top flight, but some kid who can only get a gig with Blackpool is better than him
No, that is correct.
However if you're going to use stats to back up your argument you should probably get them vaguely right!! 
There's a difference between a hugely experienced manager who sees how those players compare in training every day and us. And once again, we're saying a kid who has not even made his senior debut by the time he's 20 should be "given a chance" before a guy with well over 100 top flight goals and 18 international goals. Tosun may well be "crap", but he's a heck of a lot better than Simms. By the time Tosun was Simms age he'd got over 20 goals in the Turkish top flight, but some kid who can only get a gig with Blackpool is better than him
That is true in a sence, but look at der reds sending rhys williams down to kidderminster? OR DCL went to play at stalybridge at 17 and then Northampton at 18.
Ok, so you think by this time next year Simms will have got over 20 goals in the top flight? Alright then. Heck, if he got 10 goals in League 1 this season I'd be surprised, and even that would hardly make him good enough for the Premier League.
