Donald Trump for President Thread

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Fair enough. There has only been a popular vote/electoral college split three times overall but twice in the last five times.
Right, which is kind of my point. Our political world has clearly changed enough that the older, previously good system is no longer sufficient to serve the kind of democracy/republic that we were founded as.

The divide is getting wider. I don't think is the last time we'll see this happen either. Neither side of the urban/rural split is compromising on this (not to suggest they should necessarily, perhaps some differences are fundamental and we need a more split architecture...state's rights is coming back!) and the chasm will likely just increase without some earth shattering event.

Our government and Constitution are living organisms. We need not follow the same customs our forefathers followed just because they did. We need to find out why they did, debate it's merit, make our own decisions and choose how we want to approach our time. If the Electoral College cannot support the Will of the People, then it simply should be changed.

That said a pure popular vote is also incredibly problematic due to the extreme variation in our cultural values...the merits of which I shall not debate, because it's just an internet shouting match at that point.
 
Also, I wouldn't necessarily presume that Clinton would have won this election under a direct popular vote system. The campaigns would have both adjusted based on this alternate reality; adjustments which would have changed some policy positions as well.
 
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The problems in Detroit stem much further back than the last 8 years.

I think folks are forgetting the state of this country when Obama took office. We were in the midst of an economic meltdown when he took over.
For them did it change? It got significantly worse didn't it. First time in how many years it went red?
 
Very very irresponsible thing to say. They have been preaching about tolerance and so on and then when their camp lose...this happends..

It was always going to be the default reaction whoever lost, and its hard to see what else they would have ended up with after so many years / decades of racism, identity politics, religious quackery and, lately, the epochal nonsense that is intersectionality.

I am not sure what could be done to fix it either, unless you make everyone in the country read about the life and works of Paul Robeson.
 
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._rob_ford_s_mayoral_candidacy_and_donald.html

this is worth reading

"This man’s affinity for anger and alienation was all too real. Elect him and his vindication would be yours, his triumph your triumph. What better way to tweak the noses of the intellectuals and big money earners, the uncaring bureaucrats and self-serving politicians, than to put Rob Ford in charge? Imagine how aghast they’d all be if this oversized outcast became Mayor Rob Ford!

“Ford appealed to people as a regular guy,” explained Mitch Wexler, who tracked Ford’s support in the 2010 campaign. “The people who were fed up with the elites, and the ‘smart’ people downtown saw a lot of themselves and their daily struggle in Rob Ford.” Surprisingly, the extreme right-wing candidate was strongest in areas that traditionally voted for centrist or left-wing politicians. This matched his high support among blue-collar workers and immigrants.

Ford voters also included another surprising category: people who don’t vote. Except for Rob Ford. “There are a lot of people in every election, when you go to the door, they say, ‘All politicians are liars.’ That’s the common phrase,” Wexler said. “The people who thought that way, by and large, were supporters of Rob Ford.” They turned out in such large numbers that the total vote was 25 percent higher than four years earlier.
 
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