Donald Trump for President Thread

[dandydan]

You've gone from supporting Christians to not make a cake for a gay couple to moaning about an imaginary Pig cake not getting made by a Muslim bakery.

You have an agenda Friend.

Indeed I do, it's the hypocrisy of progressives. If we were equal then all scenarios should end the same. No?

 

[ilikecheese]

And if they refused on religious grounds? Would there be a progressive uproar? Do you think they need to evolve their beliefs?

If they think drawing a pig is somehow against their religion then they need to lighten up and evolve as well.

 

[Moomin]

Indeed I do, it's the hypocrisy of progressives. If we were equal then all scenarios should end the same. No?

What hypocrisy though? You are trying to create an issue that is simply imaginary.

 

[dandydan]

If they think drawing a pig is somehow against their religion then they need to lighten up and evolve as well.

Thank you. So we see you can't please everybody.

 

[ilikecheese]

Thank you. So we see you can't please everybody.

Ok mate. Perhaps with a bit of forward thinking people can learn to see beyond their differences and celebrate them.

 

[RaleighBlue]

If they think drawing a pig is somehow against their religion then they need to lighten up and evolve as well.

I actually disagree.

Unless it's a human need - or there is nowhere else to go, shop somewhere else. We shouldn't be forcing our beliefs on people so long as no one is being clearly harmed.

 

[dandydan]

What hypocrisy though? You are trying to create an issue that is simply imaginary.

Its not imaginary, religion has silly beliefs either we accommodate them all or tell them all to pipe down. No grey areas.

 

[dandydan]

Ok mate. Perhaps with a bit of forward thinking people can learn to see beyond their differences and celebrate them.

But some people think they will go to hell for that.

 

[ilikecheese]

I actually disagree.

Unless it's a human need - or there is nowhere else to go, shop somewhere else. We shouldn't be forcing our beliefs on people so long as no one is being clearly harmed.

I suppose, but by the same token using the gay/cake shop analogy it becomes discriminatory.

 

[RaleighBlue]

I suppose, but by the same token using the gay/cake shop analogy it becomes discriminatory.

Disagree. If the cake shop is publicly traded, fair enough. If the couple could not shop anywhere else, fair enough.

Otherwise, why do I HAVE to make you a cake? Do you have a right to this cake? Even if it causes me distress? Why is your distress more important than mine?

I would not patronize a shop that made that choice, but I don't feel comfortable taking the choice away just because I disagree with it.

 

[Dylan]

Trump closed the debate brilliantly when he said that four years of Clinton would basically be four years of Obama. And that will resonate well in puplic I think.

Exciting 19 days ahead.

It's not over until it's over.

Uhmm, that would be perfect.

 

[Caolam]

Forcing Christians to conform to gays wishes despite it being against their beliefs. The cake episode slings to mind.

You seemed to have missed the point in the cake argument. Ushers, the shop in question, stated that to make the cake would be to support a homosexual relationship. The Equality Commission argued that if you are a business that makes cakes then to bake a cake is not indicating support for the people buying the cake, it is a simple matter of business.
If a doctor is a fundamental Christian and is of the opinion that homosexuality is wrong, if he treats a gay person is he going against his beliefs because he is indicating support for homosexuality by saving a life or is he simply plying his trade.
This case got trivialized by the media, the essence of the point of law was can a business invoke a conscience clause to discriminate against a particular group of people.

 

[Dylan]

Trump wants to be loved and that would mean he do what's best for the American people rather than special interests.

Ultimately I think his narcissism would require that. Whether he has the ability is a completely different question.

However I suspect Pence would run the day to day government and Trump would be nothing more than a figurehead maybe involved with his wall. The story was that when Trump asked Kasich Trump's team said that his responsibilities would be domestic and foreign policy and Kasich asked "What would Donald do" and Donald's team said "He would be off making America Great Again."

Funnily enough, I brought this up a while ago, and the Trump folks just ignored it.

So we elect a guy to be President, when his only interest is in the job title, not the job itself?

Yeah......no.

 

[Dylan]

Seriously I have searched hundreds of pages to see what law she broke and the consequent charges I really want to read up on it.

She hasn't. The Last Week Tonight vid I put up last night (for me, GMT +12 here) covers the scandals. In fact, he deals with Hillary's two big scandals first. The email and Clinton Foundation saga's.

 

[Dylan]

She broke laws destroying the evidence for a start.
Her campaign has been proved to be responsible for starting the violence at Trump rallies.

First off. She did not destroy evidence. There is no EVIDENCE of that. Once the subpoenas were issued, everything remained as it was.