Dissent against Moyes, when?

[davek]

Moyes has managed "decline"?

I'd love to see some stats to back this up

They're not difficult to find: go and look in the trophy cabinet and the club accounts.

 

[Number_25]

They're not difficult to find: go and look in the trophy cabinet and the club accounts.

And then compare it to the rest of the 1990s.

Pleb.

 

[davek]

Jesus wept. Kipper cant get back online quick enough.

 

[toffeeblue9]

They're not difficult to find: go and look in the trophy cabinet and the club accounts.

So, just so we're being very clear - Moyes has managed "decline" during his tenure?

Ergo, we're in a worse position now than we were when he arrived? That would be the definition, n'est pas?

 

[steken1]

And then compare it to the rest of the 1990s.

Pleb.

What cannot be denied is that Moyes has backed his chairman unequivocally from day one whenever it's looked likely the fans may turn. Bill Kenwright's years will be remembered as managed decline or some other soundbite in the fullness of time and some of Moyes actions have aided that.

For me you can't really seperate the two as they lean on each other. Moyes has been good for the club on the whole but his period in charge has been disastrous in all bar league finishes.

Kendall walked when refused funds for a player we needed, Moyes wouldn't dream of that.

 

[Jags..class]

I love moyes... Were very lucky to have him just as he's very lucky to have us.

He makes mistakes as all managers do and should not be amune to criticism BUT you do get a minority of haters who want him out and think the grass is greener elsewhere. Ridiculous really but Iv learnt to just discard there comments and not get sucked into there world.

Love this line, we are a perfect mix, and i agree with the rest of your comments.

 

[Parkender]

Listening to him on the radio the other night after the Villa win gives us a 6 point start and he says in answer to a question about fan expectations: "Evertonians have no great expectations. I dont think that's an issue as far as they're concerned".

He's right. A decade of his mate Kenwright - and his putting up with not having funds to push on - has just about snuffed out expectations beyond staying comfortably in the PL.

The Kenwright/Moyes years needs to be seen for what it is: managed decline.

My word.

 

[roy vernon]

It's in the nature of football fans, including Evertonians, to give managers stick. Ask anybody who watched in the 60's and early 70's about the stick Harry Catterick got. Moyes is not perfect, neither is he incompetent, overall week in and week out I think he does as good a job for us as anybody could.

Having said that I do think he gets a very inflated pay packet for a man who has won nothing in 10 years at the club. If pushed I would say that in my opinion he is about the best we could get at the moment and I hope he signs a new contract, but not for significantly higher wages.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Listening to him on the radio the other night after the Villa win gives us a 6 point start and he says in answer to a question about fan expectations: "Evertonians have no great expectations. I dont think that's an issue as far as they're concerned".

He's right. A decade of his mate Kenwright - and his putting up with not having funds to push on - has just about snuffed out expectations beyond staying comfortably in the PL.

The Kenwright/Moyes years needs to be seen for what it is: managed decline.

Do you come up with belters like this yourself or does someone spoon feed you this bull****?

 

[Marky Andrews]

Moyes is a class act we wouldn be wer we are today only for him an the lads hes one of the top managers in the league cop onto ur selfs like

Close this thread some lads heads stuck up their holes

 

[Ihaters]

Do you come up with belters like this yourself or does someone spoon feed you this bull****?

Its part of the anti's cliche manual, along with apologist, apethetic and a whole host of others that they simply rearrange and claim as their own.

 

[bluejock]

He's pretty obviously a spent force now.

We should be looking at a hungry young manager, someone like Moyes used to be before he became complacent with his £3.5m a year contract.

Gus Poyet could do a job for us.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Its part of the anti's cliche manual, along with apologist, apethetic and a whole host of others that they simply rearrange and claim as their own.

Seriously though, how can anyone call the Moyes era "managed decline" & expect to be taken seriously?

The simple facts show that that statement is totally false.

Our league finishes in the PL era;


1992-93 13th
1993-94 17th
1994-95 15th
1995-96 6th
1996-97 15th
1997-98 17th
1998-99 14th
1999-2k 13th
2000-01 16th
2001-02 15th
2002-03 7th
2003-04 17th
2004-05 4th
2005-06 11th
2006-07 6th
2007-08 5th
2008-09 5th
2009-10 8th
2010-11 7th
2011-12 7th

I challenge anyone to explain to me how given the above facts, the Moyes era constitutes "managed decline"

 

[steken1]

Its part of the anti's cliche manual, along with apologist, apethetic and a whole host of others that they simply rearrange and claim as their own.

Claiming people with valid opinions are spouting cliches is well on it's way to becoming one in it's own right. Why not read what people write and think and try to understand what they are talking about. It's a novel concept but it may end up being worthwhile.

 

[nigelcoyb]

When we lost Rooney.

I'd been told by one of the scouts a year before that Moyes methods were simply Sarge Major stuff and his man management was non-existent the better players didn't rate him particularly Big Dunc and Rooney simply couldn't stand him.

TBH I thought he'd be gone and it'd sort itself, a new guy would come in realise what we had in Rooney and while thanking Moyes for his stabilising job get on with what this club historically does - challenge for honours.

Not for a moment could I see the "7th place trophy" via any means being the crowning glory and worse still accepted as such by a whole swathe of Evertonians.

Clearly it's mostly a generational thing if you haven't seen good football 7th becomes marvellous particularly if referencing the 2 relegation battles as archetypal EFC - it really isn't.

So the prophetic words of said scout that Rooney would go if Moyes remained, something unthinkable at the time, come to pass and while time is a great healer it was a killer blow which soured my view of Moyes the miracle worker.