2025/26 David Moyes


davek said:
I sort of agree.

However, if this isn't sorted out in the next month or so I'd take the chance on replacing him.

Personally I hope he starts seeing sense and starts playing players that can help him and us get out of a downward spiral.


I'm happy in that circumstance to wait until the summer to get shut of him.
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I’m pretty sure the owners will be lining up a replacement if things don’t improve. If he can’t get us comfortably into the top ten, they’re going to start looking elsewhere.

I don’t think we should bin him off mid-season, as it makes us look more like the basket case of the last few years and that’s not going to help recruit a better manager.

But saying that, taking time to rebuild is only acceptable if you’re moving up the table. Treading water won’t cut it.
 

blulouie said:
We pay very well as a club so I don't think we would be short of takers.

Yes Glasner if they could prize him away or your choice Ireola .
It would cost compensation but these things happen in football , money talks.

Point being is if we are knee deep in a relegation battle I doubt they would even give us sideways glance.
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I said yesterday to another poster who reckoned Iraola is out of our range: he's not experienced or successful enough to get a CL spot club; but he's too good for the club he's at.

Unless he has a Spanish club set up for himself I can see him as our new manager. I think his family are well settled over here.
 
In a way, this whole developing mess was down to the pressure on Dyche last season that led him to walk or be pushed.

If he'd have hung on we'd have survived in any case and Ilm pretty sure Iraola would her been in the dugout and now 6 months into his job having just added another £110M worth of the sort of pacy talented players to what we had already.

It's a crying shame, it really is.
 
Listened to a Sunderland fan yesterday,
Who by the way most of them despise Moyes. Apparently they had only lost 4 in 19( not sure how true this is) when he came in and the first thing Moyes mentioned was staying up.
Roma joint 2nd, TFG sacked a
Legend, got a steady hand in and then appointed a top class manager.
But apparently they will happily plod along with Moyes for the length of his contract
 
davek said:
I'd only sack `Moyes right now if someone like Iraola was available.

Iraola hasn't signed a contract extension yet and if they secured him for the summer I'd be happy with limping along under Moyes.
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Iraola is hot property and they will struggle to keep him from a few clubs. And i think it goes a bit deeper than just the manager. The whole set up has been wrong here for to many years. You still need the tools to do the job and the recruitment at bournemouth was happening before he got there.
He's still a great coach though. I loved how they approached the game at City. It was a bit suicidal going with the high line against haaland but the reason they win enough games is that approach. Not sure he could play that with our defence mind. It'd have been 5 or 6 nil.
 
from this thread, over 10 years ago:

Summerskin

Thread 'Dissent against Moyes, when?'

I think many on here know my stance on the manager and I'll say that I do not intend for this thread to become (another) forum for myself or others to write the guy off.

However, over the past 2 seasons or so i've begun to see dissent voiced against Moyes with much more frequency then I ever remember, either at the match or through social media such as this & the obvious others.

After a Boxing Day crashing out to Man Utd in 2001 I basically refused to go to the match again until the 2006/7 season and I didn't join up on this forum until 2 years ago...so what I am asking (out of pure...


I actually quite like the way that even though every member of the press praise Moyes as if he is infalliable, we the people who watch him week in week out are not afraid to call him on his mistakes and failings. The guy has done a cracking job without question, but he still has faults, he still makes mistakes and we are realisitic to call that and challenge it. I don't know many at all who 'hate him', I know plenty who get frustrated with him, maybe sometimes harshly but that is only human. He is too cautious sometimes and he does retreat at the most ridiculous times (semi final being the most obvious examples - but throughout his time here there have been plenty of other examples, I remember a City home game and a Spurs home game, both last minute defensive retreats costing us games, which highlighted this). I believe our supporters actually keep him on his toes, we do let him know when we aren't happy, nad that is a healthy relationship.

If we all followed blindly and praised him as the next messiah even though he has obvious failings and refused to criticise him and acknowledge those failings, well, there is another band of supporters who do that, and it is frankly cringeworthy and is actually an extremely unhealthy relationship which inevitably leads to disaster...say no more.
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Found this ironic, eerily so.
 

davek said:
I agree mate. He's full of himself. He's believing he's a grand old man of the game who's earned the right to take a resurgent club to...14th.

He isn't and he hasn't.

If he cant sense that, it's curtains for him.
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I think his mindset is just stuck in the past. He can't wrap his head around teams that aren't the "sky six" trying to actually compete.

I don't know if they played it on the UK broadcast, but on the US he was asked pre match what he thought of Sunderland's form this season and his first words were something to the effect of "they've nearly got enough points to stay up" he then realised where they were in the table and said it's great they are competing for Europe.

It's just his default setting to assume teams like us and Sunderland should be fine with just staying up.
 
badloaf said:
I’m pretty sure the owners will be lining up a replacement if things don’t improve. If he can’t get us comfortably into the top ten, they’re going to start looking elsewhere.

I don’t think we should bin him off mid-season, as it makes us look more like the basket case of the last few years and that’s not going to help recruit a better manager.

But saying that, taking time to rebuild is only acceptable if you’re moving up the table. Treading water won’t cut it.
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I'd hope we are lining up a replacement already.
I was certainly in the "Give Moyes this full season" camp at the start of the season - we need a little stability, and Moyes offers stability if not much else. However, I really don't want to go into next season with Moyes in charge, nor allow him to spend much more of the clubs money on players to play in line with his vision.

I think we'll be fine this season, but it's important we get the next appointment right without rushing, pannicking, or sticking with him longer than the summer.
 
Gilbert.. said:
Iraola is hot property and they will struggle to keep him from a few clubs. And i think it goes a bit deeper than just the manager. The whole set up has been wrong here for to many years. You still need the tools to do the job and the recruitment at bournemouth was happening before he got there.
He's still a great coach though. I loved how they approached the game at City. It was a bit suicidal going with the high line against haaland but the reason they win enough games is that approach. Not sure he could play that with our defence mind. It'd have been 5 or 6 nil.
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If he'd been here this summer he'd have sorted the FB berths out straight away and then played JOB CD from the off and added another one and got shut of Tarkowski.
 
DL100 said:
The frustration for me which im sure most see is the formation only needs a slight tweak and we would be playing so much better.

Alcaraz needs more minutes as does Dibling, KDH needs dropping deeper. Gueye massively slows play down.

Give one striker a full run for 5-6 games, 45 mins here and there does nothing for a striker.
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That striker should be Barry, but we still need someone reliable like Ivan Toney. The lack of a decent striker has probably cost us 5-6 points so far this season.
 
Melchizedek said:
I think his mindset is just stuck in the past. He can't wrap his head around teams that aren't the "sky six" trying to actually compete.

I don't know if they played it on the UK broadcast, but on the US he was asked pre match what he thought of Sunderland's form this season and his first words were something to the effect of "they've nearly got enough points to stay up" he then realised where they were in the table and said it's great they are competing for Europe.

It's just his default setting to assume teams like us and Sunderland should be fine with just staying up.
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Yes, defo.

He's all about expectation management. He'll never change.

The biggest miss-step taken so far by TFG was to hand him a 2 year deal. He should have been thanked for last season then shown the door.
 

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