Cycling thread

From another forum btw:

"Froomes reading of 2000 is way too high!"
To put this into perspective, when I read people saying he was way, way over and obviously doing it deliberately for it to be that high I laughed my socks off. Every puff of an inhaler administers a dose of 100. When my son had his first asthma attack he was immediately put on a constant drip feed of salbutamol in the form of a mask, for 2 days and nights. When we finally got him home we were given a asthma plan by the paediatrician. In it, he had (as well as a brown inhaler) the salbutamol inhaler with the advice that should he/we think he's having an attack of any kind, even in the early stages or a cold coming on, give him the inhaler straight away. Don't wait. The dose? 4 (minimum) to 10 puffs (maximum) every 4 hours. Read that again...4 to ten puffs EVERY 4 HOURS. Now you do the maths.
In the space of 24 hours, even with the minimum 4 puffs every 4 hours, my 2 year old boy was getting 2400 as a dose. Minimum. And he was only 2 at the time. More often than not, my wife would give him 8 puffs, so even in a 24hr period he was getting a constant 4800. In a 2yr old. If we had given him 10 puffs every 4 hours he would have received a dose of 6000.
And some people think 2000 is a lot? its laughable. My son would have died on that amount, and this was just to keep him alive and keep oxygen flowing through his blood, just walking around. To think that elite athletes, pushing themselves are limited to 1600 is, quite frankly, and absolute joke! Froome isn't the problem, its the WADA/UCI ruling that 1600 is the upper limit. Even now, with my boy being 5yrs old and slightly bigger lungs, he will have 3 puffs every 4 hours for a couple of days if we feel a cold is coming on, so even on a basic level during winter he's getting 1800. Basic. A 5yr old.
 
Oh sky fan bruce's wife said, call off the dogs guys, that's all the evidence I need

As have numerous doctors, researchers and even Wada themselves. Don't let that stop you using your pitchforks though.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28724273
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21327796
Or alternatively this meta study of 26 previous studies on the topic - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21142283

All found no performance enhancing benefits of using an inhaler for healthy athletes.
 
As have numerous doctors, researchers and even Wada themselves. Don't let that stop you using your pitchforks though.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28724273
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21327796
Or alternatively this meta study of 26 previous studies on the topic - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21142283

All found no performance enhancing benefits of using an inhaler for healthy athletes.
There's a case to answer, as there seems to be numerous doctors, researchers or even wada themselves who state the opposite to you and your fellow staunch sky fanboys. If it is incompetence as you suggested earlier, then this would be the second case of incompetence from sky, the by far most funded team, which in itself is unacceptable, would you agree?
 
Is that a response to me? I see you failed to quote me if so. As is often the case with the sky cycling team, you've become over defensive, and frankly that's quite an arrogant response to a perfectly reasonable question, that was in the interest of debate, which is a shame.

Please don't throw urine over me, I'll endeavour to get better.
 
I just find it funny that Sky are labelled as criminal masterminds, yet apparently dope their star rider with a drug that has debatable benefits, that is easily detected in urine tests that he'll take every day, and that he lists on those tests that he takes.

He probably will be banned, and his achievements tainted, but it's hard to believe it isn't down to amateur hour from the team more than anything else.

Whilst on the surface yes, it also shows that Martin doesn't actually knows the rules he's complaining about. They clearly state that in cases such as this, the rider isn't banned until their case is resolved. To then follow that up with a rant about Sky having some kind of special status is nonsense.

Quite the contrary I think most think they look extremely amateur again and that's very hard to believe if you're supposed to be the super team. Lost files, Prednison, emergency corticosteroids... It's all a bit much in a relatively short time frame. Even if it's just extreme amateurism something has to change because it isn't good for the credibility.

Lotto-Soudal has a couple of asthmatics in the team; the doctor explained how he goes about it (http://sporza.be/cm/1.3113611?view=popupPlayer). Lotto-Soudal is part of the MPCC so they are more strict, but that doesn't change a lot. Don't overuse and be mindful of pharmacodynamics. If a low-budget team can do it, so should Sky tbh. It's doesn't exactly sound like rocket-science which makes it all the more strange that the richest team in the world can't do it in a proper manner.

Well yes but you have to keep in mind that Martin is German and German cycling was completely ruined by doping. ZDF refused to broadcast races, the public was very angry ... So they are extra protective and want stronger rules, and they distance themselves strongly. He's not alone btw, it's not good for the reputation of all cyclists. Sponsors etc...

Sky keeps going to the edge of the permissible, sometimes a bit over and they end up in the defensive yet again. Marginal gains. If you remember a recent Shane Sutton interview; he said that Sky uses the medical system for performance purposes. They try to go to near the edge (from a legal pov nothing wrong with that off course). When Sky was born Brailsford said that Team Sky was going to be the most ethical and transparent team ever. Let's be honest here, they are everything but.

The Sky defence for the Salbutamol incident is that the values were caused by physiological issues that influence the metabolism and the excretion of Salbutamol. In the past this defence was seldom successful, but we'll see I guess.

They keep trying to fly very close to the sun, and sooner or later they'll burn themselves. Or they'll fall off the edge.

Oh and for the record. Loads of swimmers, langlaufers ... use products like Salbutamol but for some reason nobody ever says anything about that when it should be said. [bit of balance here]
 

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