Current Body of work - Ancelotti and Moyes

[ForeverEverton]

I think the idea of comparing Moyes and Ancelotti is daft.

David Moyes was the right manager for Everton at the time and CA is the right manager for where the owners of the club want to reach over the next few years.

West Ham have done really well but they have some difficult games coming up and that will tell us more about them. I see no way they will finish in the top four
I think David Moyes did brilliantly at Everton for a number of years but I feel there may a glass ceiling for him in managing a top team to success.
We know Ca has no such limitations.

CA is clearly the better manager. I feel that our club is hamstringing him by not strengthening which is obv due to FFP etc etc. It is more about the limitation of the club! Can we ever be anymore than what we are now?

 

[Kev50]

when you sit down and actually compare them, the similarities are staring at you in the face
Ancelotti obviously has won those Five CL winners medals but over the same period Moyes also won promotion with Preston to the Championship. I wonder will Jeffrey Archer eventually end up writing about their parallel lives in a Cain and Abel style bookdeal.

 

[4737carlin]

Moyes is great at doing what he does. Getting midtable at best teams with little money to spend playing well, he excels at this.

 

[gazzaa2]

Moyes is good at unearthing bargains in the market. Soucek for example has been one of the players of the season. Make a couple of good quality buys every year and over time you'll build a good side which he was given the time to do at Everton.

He's an average coach though, very limited tactically. Someone was criticising us for being reliant on counter attacks and set pieces. West Ham are a team of grocks who score most of their goals from corners and free kicks, they're not Man City-lite. Look at their non-performance against Liverpool recently and then United in the cup where they never even laid a glove on them. Drew 0-0 with Fulham the other week too in a nothing game.

When you get it right though it's effective. They've scored the most goals from set pieces in the league by a distance. In terms of actual gameplay, they're an average side who aren't going to win anything or finish top 4.

 

[Dymak]

Bugger that - the Europa is a great launchpad for further success. We need European football if we are going to be taken seriously.

The root of our issues to me is the model Moshiri has put in place. Brands is crap, and I prefer a manager to a head coach setup.

We differ in our viewpoints on the Europa League. I find it a tiresome competition that isn’t worth the negative impact that it will inevitably have on the league form of a club like Everton. It becomes particularly tiresome when we end up getting battered by sides from ‘farmer leagues’.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

We differ in our viewpoints on the Europa League. I find it a tiresome competition that isn’t worth the negative impact that it will inevitably have on the league form of a club like Everton. It becomes particularly tiresome when we end up getting battered by sides from ‘farmer leagues’.

There is the latter point lol

Our European “adventure” under Bobby is still one of the most embarrassing experiences in recent years!

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Moyes is good at unearthing bargains in the market. Soucek for example has been one of the players of the season. Make a couple of good quality buys every year and over time you'll build a good side which he was given the time to do at Everton.

He's an average coach though, very limited tactically. Someone was criticising us for being reliant on counter attacks and set pieces. West Ham are a team of grocks who score most of their goals from corners and free kicks, they're not Man City-lite. Look at their non-performance against Liverpool recently and then United in the cup where they never even laid a glove on them. Drew 0-0 with Fulham the other week too in a nothing game.

When you get it right though it's effective. They've scored the most goals from set pieces in the league by a distance. In terms of actual gameplay, they're an average side who aren't going to win anything or finish top 4.

I think you underrate his coaching. He has made West Ham one of the hardest teams to beat. That is less than a year after they were one of the easiest under Pellegrini.

He isn’t a fashionable name, but it is his ability to improve players on the training ground that allows him to make teams better.

Tactically he is limited in the sense that he won’t use adventurous tactics he feel will not work just to appease the fans. But he did a real number on Aston Villa through clever tactics. He also has them winning matches using a variety of systems this season.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Moyes is great at doing what he does. Getting midtable at best teams with little money to spend playing well, he excels at this.

Will be interesting to see if he can take them further than he took us. He will have more resources than he ever had under Bill, though the league is more competitive now (though I think the quality is actually lower than the Sky 4 era.)

 

[Coggy]

Some lads are misunderstanding my opening post. I love Carlo , and we should obviously stick with him. However I also admire the work that Moyes did here , on a shoestring budget.
However we are in a position , that we have a much better set of players than them , but they are 5 points above us (we do have a game in hand ) with a much better goal difference , and having scored marginally more goals than us. Carlo is working under the restrictions e.g. FFP , from previous mismanagement. However the haters on here of Moyes , really do need to ask themselves some questions re this season.

 

[blue to the bone]

Some lads are misunderstanding my opening post. I love Carlo , and we should obviously stick with him. However I also admire the work that Moyes did here , on a shoestring budget.
However we are in a position , that we have a much better set of players than them , but they are 5 points above us with a much better goal difference , and having scored marginally more goals than us. Carlo is working under the restrictions e.g. FFP , from previous mismanagement. However the haters on here of Moyes , really do need to ask themselves some questions re this season.

Maybe let's ask it again when the season ends.

 

[Dymak]

However we are in a position , that we have a much better set of players than them ,

Are our players really that much better than their's?

I'm not sure they are, particularly in midfield and in goal.

 

[Coggy]

Maybe let's ask it again when the season ends.

I agree mate.
But it is an astounding performance from them ,when they were amongst the relegation favourites , and this was a season of opportunity for us with so many of the normal top 6 under performing.

 

[Coggy]

Are our players really that much better than their's?

I'm not sure they are, particularly in midfield and in goal.

Goalkeeper. We could hardly have a worse one mate. We have missed Allan in midfield too.

 

[blue to the bone]

I agree mate.
But it is an astounding performance from them ,when they were amongst the relegation favourites , and this was a season of opportunity for us with so many of the normal top 6 under performing.

And the season ain't over yet.. for either team

 

[Drico]

While Moyes rivals Ancelotti in much the same way Christine Bleakley rivals Oprah, the fact the comparison is being made here at all tells you that Everton have a big decision to make: back Ancelotti to get the most value out of their supermanager, or don't back him and wonder if you'd be better off with Moyes.

Moyes to Man United was a nuts move as United's needs were never served by Moyes's skillset (good scouting, maximising limited resources, etc.). United didn't need that in a manager. They needed Ancelotti's skillset (attract the highest quality of player, motivate them, enhance harmony). Moyes is a much better fit for West Ham. Everton have to decide if Ancelotti's skillset is what they need - or do they really need a Moyes. If the former, he has to be backed big time this summer - and reasons/excuses to do with FFP and Covid don't matter. It's make or break. If the latter, they need to accept that they are a mid-table club with ambitions to have the odd decent season - which is what we were and did under Moyes.