Current Body of work - Ancelotti and Moyes

[chippy1722]

Moyes has done a much better job with what’s available but I’d still prefer Carlo here.

The proof is that if you asked people on here how many West Ham players they would take or have in our team, most would have laughed and said maybe one or two.
Therefore he’s clearly done a better job with so called lesser players.

 

[Khalekan]

Before I start this , I know that I am going to get absolute hell.
I need to clarify , that I believe that Carlo is our only chance to get to the "next" level , and that we will do that eventually , with the backing of the current ownership.
However , this season , despite our FFP handicap due to previous mismanagement , all sorts of teams are in the mix. Perhaps this is something to do with the pandemic , and no fans in grounds ?
We have many players who should be able to take us forwards towards where we believe we should be.
Tonight's performance was yet another where we let another awful team , close down our best players , and beat us. Rinse and repeat !.
That leaves us effectively with a game in hand against Man City , that we would need to win to get above a ramshackle mob like West Ham.
Their manager is a former successful manager of this club , albeit in much different circumstances , who is vilified by many on here.
Can someone please explain to me what is going on ?

I was nodding in agreement with you until you described Moyes time here as “successful“

 

[Jamo Martinez]

I’m glad that Moyes has been declared a successful Everton manager

What a marvellous statement, let’s get a statue

He at least deserves a medal.

 

[whiteshadow]

Moyes "successful" with us? I somehow always seem to forget that Moyes had us competing at the top and won silverware with us.

Please can we just move on from him already.

Like expecting to win titles with limited resources compared to the 'elite' teams is realistic. (slow hand clap)

 

[StreetEndBlue]

Why do we always get this kind of crap on any weekend were West Ham win and we don't? Sick to 'kin death of hearing about Moyes.

In the longer term there'll be no comparison with the job Ancelotti does here with the one Moyes will do while working for the dildo bros.

 

[Bluepablo]

Why do we always get this kind of crap on any weekend were West Ham win and we don't? Sick to 'kin death of hearing about Moyes.

In the longer term there'll be no comparison with the job Ancelotti does here with the one Moyes will do while working for the dildo bros.

This. Moyes demonstrated his upside potential at Man Utd. His level is mid table clubs with low expectations that he will mange downwards.

The thread should be closed.

 

[Debunkology]

Before I start this , I know that I am going to get absolute hell.
I need to clarify , that I believe that Carlo is our only chance to get to the "next" level , and that we will do that eventually , with the backing of the current ownership.
However , this season , despite our FFP handicap due to previous mismanagement , all sorts of teams are in the mix. Perhaps this is something to do with the pandemic , and no fans in grounds ?
We have many players who should be able to take us forwards towards where we believe we should be.
Tonight's performance was yet another where we let another awful team , close down our best players , and beat us. Rinse and repeat !.
That leaves us effectively with a game in hand against Man City , that we would need to win to get above a ramshackle mob like West Ham.
Their manager is a former successful manager of this club , albeit in much different circumstances , who is vilified by many on here.
Can someone please explain to me what is going on ?

Successful Everton managers

Howard Kendall (English League Title x2, FA Cup, FA Community Shield x3, UEFA Cup Winners Cup
Harry Catterick (English League Title x2, FA Cup, FA Community Shield x2)
Thomas McIntosh (English League Title x2, FA Cup, FA Community Shield x2)
Will Cuff (English League Title, FA Cup)
Dick Molyneux (English league Title)
edit -- (moderators need to fix that, they never called him Richard Molyneux)
Theo Kelly (English League Title)
Joe Royle (FA Cup Winner, FA Community Shield)
Collin Harvey (FA Community Shield)

Some of them also finished 2nd in the league, and got to Cup Finals. Gordon Lee didn't win anything, but still, he managed to get Everton finishing 2nd.

It's probably fair to say that David Moyes is Everton's 10th most succesful manager of all time. Out of I think 25 permanent ones. 10 out of 25 isn't bad.

I don't resent him, people resent him for the "knife to a gunfight" statement, but in all honesty, Bill Kenwright was the reasons behind that. He should never have overtaken this club. But that's another story.

The others that resent him because he knew he was going to Old Trafford (Ancelotti was Alex's number 1, but Moyes knew he was on their shortlist) and as soon as he left he tried to get Baines and Fellaini and practically do what Mark Hughes did to us once, which was ruin the start of our season. The fact that Moyes had it done to him with the whole Lescott episode, not playing him and refusing his transfer request. The minute he leaves here, he has the audacity to say "When I was at Everton, I did what was best for the players".

He basically turned into a gob_____e

But he did provide entertainment by going to champions Manchester United, and bizzarely saying that they "aspire to be like city", they still haven't forgiven them for that. His knife to a gunfight incident. Then his uno, dos, tres minutes at Real Sociedad and creating a team of injured geriatrics at Sunderland.

I'm glad he's doing well with WHU now though.

 

[degsy]

This. Moyes demonstrated his upside potential at Man Utd. His level is mid table clubs with low expectations that he will mange downwards.

I know what 'potential' means...and I have an idea what 'upside' is, but the exact meaning of them joined together is a tad beyond me, anyway moving on...
Moyes always over achieved with no pressure, but give him a sudden death, a 1 off, a cup-tie - your 'Must Win' and he folded.
Up to now he's been under the radar, but he's starting to get noticed.
The articles will start to appear...'David Moyes's quiet revolution' or whatever.

If he breaks his bottling cycle at W. Ham, well good on him.

Which may mean we - The Club - may have to look at ourselves and stop blaming him for our faults
Time will tell - as always.

 

[Gareth Gibson]

i am enjoying all the angry buddies who chased moyes out being very scared he will finish above the everton this season. who knows but it would not be the first of hundredth thing they got wrong on everton #1 community online for humans.

The same people hounded John Stones out of the club because he wasn't good enough!

 

[matty1878]

Stop being negative and get behind the team Matty.

ha ha shush you

 

[Death]

I think CA has clearly under estimated the work that needs to be done here, or he is here for a payday.

He has only been at clubs with world class players and able to add top elite players, there is no way he is cut out to manage Everton. The clubs he has been at are different worlds away from what he has at Everton, cant see him turning this around TBH.

Took over a bottom half team and 18 months later, which will be the end of the season we will still be a bottom half team, or 10th if we are lucky.... Some progress that!


Another season which promised so much and delivered as per usual! NOTHING!!!

Its February and we a few pints of 4th with two games in hand.

One the best seasons thus far this side of the millennium.

 

[ForeverEverton]

Its February and we a few pints of 4th with two games in hand.

One the best seasons thus far this side of the millennium.

5 points off 4th & 5th with two games in hand with the next 2 games City (1 of our games in hand) and Liverpool..... currently sat 7th but realistic finishing position is lower.

We have finished top 4 in 1 season of the previous 20
5th 3 times
6th once
7th 5 times
8th 3 times including under MS and BFS
11th 3 times
12th last season when CA took over
below 12th in just 3 of them 20 seasons.

In fact our average finish in 20 years since the Millenium is 8th or 9th and our average points tally is 54/55 points, so I`d say we are bang on course for the usual and not anything special, I`m not sure it would rank in the top 10 seasons since the millenium. See the link below, my evidence is all substantiated.

But the season isnt finished yet, so we will see but we would need to win something like 6 games to hit our average points tally and 8 or 9 of our last 14 games to achieve Europe, which I cant see when you see our fixtures.

Everton FC - Historical league placements

Diese Übersicht zeigt, mit welcher Tabellen-Endplatzierung der Verein Everton eine Spielzeit abgeschlossen hat und in welcher Liga er aktiv war.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

 

[Death]

5 points off 4th & 5th with two games in hand with the next 2 games City (1 of our games in hand) and Liverpool..... currently sat 7th but realistic finishing position is lower.

We have finished top 4 in 1 season of the previous 20
5th 3 times
6th once
7th 5 times
8th 3 times including under MS and BFS
11th 3 times
12th last season when CA took over
below 12th in just 3 of them 20 seasons.

In fact our average finish in 20 years since the Millenium is 8th or 9th and our average points tally is 54/55 points, so I`d say we are bang on course for the usual and not anything special, I`m not sure it would rank in the top 10 seasons since the millenium. See the link below, my evidence is all substantiated.

But the season isnt finished yet, so we will see but we would need to win something like 6 games to hit our average points tally and 8 or 9 of our last 14 games to achieve Europe, which I cant see when you see our fixtures.

Everton FC - Historical league placements

Diese Übersicht zeigt, mit welcher Tabellen-Endplatzierung der Verein Everton eine Spielzeit abgeschlossen hat und in welcher Liga er aktiv war.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

I said one of the best seasons "thus far." As in this close to champions league in Feb with two games in hand. If you can pick 4 or 5 seasons this side the millennium in February you have proven me wrong. Everything else is speculation.

I think we will keep improving and have a good chance of advancing up the table. But that's just speculation on my end. We would be 2 points off 4th with 2 games in hand of beat Fulham on weekend. And to claim we will likely finish below 7th then would be laughable. So your speculation is based of the weekend.

But anyway its neither here nor there my original point is its one of our healthiest positions to be in thos side of the millennium in the month of February. Give me 4 or 5 healthier positions being off champions league in February this side of the last millenium ill concede.

 

[blueblue]

I think the idea of comparing Moyes and Ancelotti is daft.

David Moyes was the right manager for Everton at the time and CA is the right manager for where the owners of the club want to reach over the next few years.

West Ham have done really well but they have some difficult games coming up and that will tell us more about them. I see no way they will finish in the top four
I think David Moyes did brilliantly at Everton for a number of years but I feel there may a glass ceiling for him in managing a top team to success.
We know Ca has no such limitations.

 

[ForeverEverton]

I said one of the best seasons "thus far." As in this close to champions league in Feb with two games in hand. If you can pick 4 or 5 seasons this side the millennium in February you have proven me wrong. Everything else is speculation.

I think we will keep improving and have a good chance of advancing up the table. But that's just speculation on my end. We would be 2 points off 4th with 2 games in hand of beat Fulham on weekend. And to claim we will likely finish below 7th then would be laughable. So your speculation is based of the weekend.

But anyway its neither here nor there my original point is its one of our healthiest positions to be in thos side of the millennium in the month of February. Give me 4 or 5 healthier positions being off champions league in February this side of the last millenium ill concede.

Best to take stock at the end of the season and of course that is only my opinion, I think a lot will be decided by games against those in and around us that we have left to play like Villa twice, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, West Ham and City twice. That lot is 9 of the 16 games we got left. The other 7 are Southampton, Burnley, Palace, Sheff Utd and Wolves all at home and you know what our home form is like. The other 2 is Brighton and WBA away.

Quite tough