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[Zezti]

lol lol lol

It's amazing how people have these types of views, just because it's parroted to them. The same as how "single player games are dead", "nobody wants horror games" - no basis in reality, but people just assume it's true.

Turn based JRPGs/ATB dead? Fire Emblem, Bravely Default, Dragon Quest, Octopath Traveler, Persona, Ni No Kuni etc. etc. etc.

Fire Emblem is not a JRPG. Bravely Default and Second are handheld games.
I didn't say JRPGs are dead, I said some elements of JRPGs are, especially outside of the Japanese market. The JRPG market is niche now, but that's beside the point. I said the way it brings back some of those elements like menu-based targetting and ability usage while keeping up the intensity of a real-time fight looks good.

There is a clear resemblance to FF15 - to say there isn't is ludicrous. It is action orientated - lock on, press buttons. This isn't a Dragon Age: Origins situation where it looks built from the ground up to be a tactical game as well as an action one, where you could queue orders and tactics ahead of combat, pause and tweak and so on - it looks like a pandering addon to me instead, like VATS in Fallout 76. Basically 'Bullet Time' and you click a menu during it. A gimmick that will be used for Limit Break 'glory kills'.

No there isn't. If 'lock on, press buttons' = FF15 then most of the action RPGs on the market are reskins of FF15 according to you. It can have tactical depth without being Dragon Age and it can have real-time combat without bring another FF15. We can only wait and see if that's 'pandering'.

Haha I didn't even know this was in Final Fantasy XV - shows how much of a non-factor it was.



It's even called the same in FF7 Remake - "Wait Mode".

It's a gimmick.

The original FF7 had a wait mode. But you're just latching onto the terminology for a reason to dismiss it.




FF15 wasn't even bad. It was very underwhelming in many ways, but not at all a bad game. To me, FF7 remake looks like it has the greater tactical depth that FF15 was lacking to make the real-time combat work. Not a re-skin.

 

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[Kenshin]

Makes me laugh how the argument is that they "couldn't make the game they wanted in one game."

Yet they could manage to ship a 60+ hour absolute masterpiece back in 1997.

It's nonsense. It's the same company that did the same thing with Hitman - it's an excuse to sell the same game three plus times, that's it.

They'll make it as long as it sells well. Which is fine if it was a new IP and they wanted to mitigate risk - but this is Final Fantasy 7; it can't do anything but make money. It's pure greed.

It's only based on midgar as well so not even disk one.

Crazy to think that in 3 years or so development they haven't even done one disks worth of content. Imagine what it will be like when they have to develop the open world.

So much more content missing and the price tag will have to match the length making it.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Makes me laugh how the argument is that they "couldn't make the game they wanted in one game."

Yet they could manage to ship a 60+ hour absolute masterpiece back in 1997.

It's nonsense. It's the same company that did the same thing with Hitman - it's an excuse to sell the same game three plus times, that's it.

They'll make it as long as it sells well. Which is fine if it was a new IP and they wanted to mitigate risk - but this is Final Fantasy 7; it can't do anything but make money. It's pure greed.

That’s usually what remakes, remasters and re-releases are to be fair. They could easily release the same exact game with updated graphics and engine and it would be a masterpiece, but there will almost always be some “creative tweaks” and money grubbing with re-whatever’s. Releasing a once full title in “chapters” is a cardinal sin of the highest order.

 

[Tubey]

Fire Emblem is not a JRPG. Bravely Default and Second are handheld games.
I didn't say JRPGs are dead, I said some elements of JRPGs are, especially outside of the Japanese market. The JRPG market is niche now, but that's beside the point. I said the way it brings back some of those elements like menu-based targetting and ability usage while keeping up the intensity of a real-time fight looks good.



No there isn't. If 'lock on, press buttons' = FF15 then most of the action RPGs on the market are reskins of FF15 according to you. It can have tactical depth without being Dragon Age and it can have real-time combat without bring another FF15. We can only wait and see if that's 'pandering'.



The original FF7 had a wait mode. But you're just latching onto the terminology for a reason to dismiss it.

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FF15 wasn't even bad. It was very underwhelming in many ways, but not at all a bad game. To me, FF7 remake looks like it has the greater tactical depth that FF15 was lacking to make the real-time combat work. Not a re-skin.

1. Fire Emblem is a subset of JRPG, a strategy variant, just like Final Fantasy Tactics. They are under the umbrella term.

2. I have absolutely no idea what difference it makes being a handheld game. Honestly idea what no point what you were trying to make... I mean, Pokémon exists and is a JRPG - very much a turn-based RPG and literally the most lucrative game series of all time.

3. They're not dead - JRPGs have always been a niche market in the west, barring a few titles - it's why we didn't get a proper FF game until 7 in Europe. FF7, 8 and 10 are the only real crossover western 'hits' in the series, and all that was momentum from one game in 7. And again, Pokémon. Indeed, the top-selling JRPGs over here are by and large turn-based combat games.

4. I'm not latching on to anything - watch the video; the only difference between FF7 Remake and 15 in Wait Mode is that one pauses and the other goes in slow motion. There's no strategy as far as I can see - it's a convenience mode, like VATS. If there's a way to play the entire game turn-based, without a compromise in game experience, then great - but what Square Enix have shown is simply exactly what was in FF15, that nobody used.

FF7 Remake may improve on the abysmal 15 (you say it wasn't bad but it was for me - the story fell apart, combat was repetitive and simple (I died once I believe, not because I was good but the stupid potion/Phoenix Down system, urgh), average music, grating shallow characters - a what's what of how to fail at making a Final Fantasy...

Anyway, going back to my original post, it's a hard pass for me. I hope it's a good game for you.

 

[Huyton Layne]

FF should only ever be used when it's followed by an S, FFS.

I refuse to acknowledge these games after buying one used from gamestop for the PS3 and it didn't work but I couldn't be arsed driving 40 minutes to return it

 

[Zezti]

1. Fire Emblem is a subset of JRPG, a strategy variant, just like Final Fantasy Tactics. They are under the umbrella term.

2. I have absolutely no idea what difference it makes being a handheld game. Honestly idea what no point what you were trying to make... I mean, Pokémon exists and is a JRPG - very much a turn-based RPG and literally the most lucrative game series of all time.

3. They're not dead - JRPGs have always been a niche market in the west, barring a few titles - it's why we didn't get a proper FF game until 7 in Europe. FF7, 8 and 10 are the only real crossover western 'hits' in the series, and all that was momentum from one game in 7. And again, Pokémon. Indeed, the top-selling JRPGs over here are by and large turn-based combat games.

4. I'm not latching on to anything - watch the video; the only difference between FF7 Remake and 15 in Wait Mode is that one pauses and the other goes in slow motion. There's no strategy as far as I can see - it's a convenience mode, like VATS. If there's a way to play the entire game turn-based, without a compromise in game experience, then great - but what Square Enix have shown is simply exactly what was in FF15, that nobody used.

FF7 Remake may improve on the abysmal 15 (you say it wasn't bad but it was for me - the story fell apart, combat was repetitive and simple (I died once I believe, not because I was good but the stupid potion/Phoenix Down system, urgh), average music, grating shallow characters - a what's what of how to fail at making a Final Fantasy...

FE is not a JRPG for any reason other than being a RPG from Japan. Don't care what a Wikipedia list says, I've played nearly all of them several times, they are not JRPGs.

Anyway, going back to my original post, it's a hard pass for me. I hope it's a good game for you.

I hope so.
For me, every indication is good so far.

FF should only ever be used when it's followed by an S, FFS.

I refuse to acknowledge these games after buying one used from gamestop for the PS3 and it didn't work but I couldn't be arsed driving 40 minutes to return it

For the PS3? That was probably 13 or one of it's spin-offs/sequals. Truly a s**tshow of a game. Be glad it didn't work.

 

[f.t.r.s]

Two and a half days later completed the awesome sleeping dogs.....
Why have more games not followed it's lead? How many games can you legit use a large fish to slap an enemy to death with

 

[Zezti]

Two and a half days later completed the awesome sleeping dogs.....
Why have more games not followed it's lead? How many games can you legit use a large fish to slap an enemy to death with

Saints Row 3 (and 4 I think), you can beat people to death with a massive purple dildo. Sleeping Dogs is good though. Shame that there haven't been any good crime games in recent years.

 

[Tubey]

FE is not a JRPG for any reason other than being a RPG from Japan.

Well, that's the literal and only definition of it.

You seem to be confusing sub-genres. What you're saying makes as much sense as saying FIFA 20 is not a sports game because it's a football game.

By your definition, Final Fantasy 15 or 7 Remake wouldn't be JRPGs - they'd be action RPGs. Which would be a silly thing to say, because of course they are JRPGs.

What you mean is Fire Emblem isn't a 'traditional' turn-based combat JRPG; it's a turn-based strategy JRPG. It's still a JRPG regardless - the only differential is the combat system.

Hell, Dark Souls is a JRPG.

 

[Kenshin]

A hidden gem of an RPG is lost oddysey on the 360.

Made by former old FF developers and worked the same way.

 

[f.t.r.s]

Saints Row 3 (and 4 I think), you can beat people to death with a massive purple dildo. Sleeping Dogs is good though. Shame that there haven't been any good crime games in recent years.

Meh gta did the dildo thing all the way back in vice city....this is like living out that old mini advert

 

[Lickle eric]

Two and a half days later completed the awesome sleeping dogs.....
Why have more games not followed it's lead? How many games can you legit use a large fish to slap an enemy to death with

Did you get all the dlc mate.its pretty good and a fair few extra hours play.

 

[f.t.r.s]

Did you get all the dlc mate.its pretty good and a fair few extra hours play.

Not yet, focusing on getting as many collectables and completion before I do.
I bought the limited edition which supposedly has the gsp and law enforcement packs included but can't seem to access them without paying £1.20 a pack....any ideas?

 

[Walken]

Just finished Gods of war, really grew on me as the game went on. I thought it might become too samey but the slow development of the story line and combat system worked really well.