Carlo Ancelotti

[TrachyBlue]

Had this conversation 10,000 times. Our fans have hindered our progress and if you disagree with that fine.

Did Koeman do a good enough job? No.

Did our fans hinder his enthusiasm? Yes.

I disagree with the 1st and second point.

Usual suspects being the negative ones as per.

Trying to find negatives in a 5 times european cup winner (3x as manager) coming to Everton Football Club.

It genuinely baffles me.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Mikey a forum is about opinions, but when you have people actually looking for faults for appointing a superb manager, it’s sheer Crazy.

I don't think anyone is trying to find faults

Outside of the undercover reds (Who need to get a life btw. Hi RAWK, you all suck) I'm not seeing anyone who is being unreasonable in their apprehensions over us appointing Ancelotti

There are valid questions and points that can be raised, but I personally believe the positives outweigh the negatives and I'll be utterly over the moon if we can get this all sorted

He's a top level manager, the likes of which we haven't seen at this club in a very long time. So long as he gets the backing he needs financially I think we all have reason to be optimistic

However, we are not a cult and this forum doesn't have a hive mind. If people are being contrarion as a way to wind people up then they should be challenged, but I'm not seeing that with most of the people who have some concerns here

I again think back to the Eto'o thread, where anyone who didn't think it was an amazing acquisition were insulted and yelled at. They ended up being proven correct in the end, so instead of hammering people maybe we could all do with a bit more reasoned discussion eh?

 

[Arteta10]

I'm personally very excited at the prospect of a manager of Ancelotti's standing coming to Everton

That being said, I think it would be nice if we could let those who aren't as sure make those feelings felt without fear of being harangued for it

Those comments may harsh our buzz somewhat, but those people are entitled to their opinions without getting slaughtered for it

You are right and I've got no problem with people expressing their reservations about an issue in isolation

The problem is when the same people are negative about every single issue and never change their tune its like a broken record

We're here to debate at the end of the day not everyone should have the same opinion but the constant naysaying and doom mongering is tiring

 

[Connor]

They ended up being proven correct in the end, so instead of hammering people maybe we could all do with a bit more reasoned discussion eh?

Logical but boring that Mike.

That doesn't give us plotters vs Dave.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Logical but boring that Mike.

That doesn't give us plotters vs Dave.

I think you'll find it was "Plotters" Vs "Martinez Cult", which then turned into the cult becoming the "Plotters" when they took on the "Koemanista's"

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

Mikey a forum is about opinions, but when you have people actually looking for faults for appointing a superb manager, it’s sheer Crazy.

Football is a discussion here.

I'm happy with the appointment, this is big for us. However.....I do have slight concerns about how he plans to build this team. If it's true he wants full control and to do it his way, what will Brands do? I think we have a decent young side who need to be properly coached, not a squad overhaul. A new centre half, midfielder on loan and a forward is required. I don't want to see us spending 200+ million in the summer.

 

[matty1878]

Football is a discussion here.

I'm happy with the appointment, this is big for us. However.....I do have slight concerns about how he plans to build this team. If it's true he wants full control and to do it his way, what will Brands do? I think we have a decent young side who need to be properly coached, not a squad overhaul. A new centre half, midfielder on loan and a forward is required. I don't want to see us spending 200+ million in the summer.

Who’s bothered let him come in and Spend millions and make us great

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

If he is backed with money it isn't very baffling is it? This isn't Ancelotti coming to Everton pre Moshiri.

Where does the money keep coming from? With the managers we've had to pay off and the money already spent, where are we funding from?

 

[matty1878]

I don't think anyone is trying to find faults

Outside of the undercover reds (Who need to get a life btw. Hi RAWK, you all suck) I'm not seeing anyone who is being unreasonable in their apprehensions over us appointing Ancelotti

There are valid questions and points that can be raised, but I personally believe the positives outweigh the negatives and I'll be utterly over the moon if we can get this all sorted

He's a top level manager, the likes of which we haven't seen at this club in a very long time. So long as he gets the backing he needs financially I think we all have reason to be optimistic

However, we are not a cult and this forum doesn't have a hive mind. If people are being contrarion as a way to wind people up then they should be challenged, but I'm not seeing that with most of the people who have some concerns here

I again think back to the Eto'o thread, where anyone who didn't think it was an amazing acquisition were insulted and yelled at. They ended up being proven correct in the end, so instead of hammering people maybe we could all do with a bit more reasoned discussion eh?

But mikey it’s CARLO ANCELLOTTI I mean it’s not even like worth discussing other than yesssssssssss.

 

[b-rad]

About 46% in the premier league. We only just scraped fourth after losing 7 out of last 12 games.

And who could forget the Arsenal away.

We had already got 4th before the last two games. If we'd let Bolton beat us by the same score on the last day of the season then they would have finished 5th.

 

[MrGrumpy]

I don't think anyone is trying to find faults

Outside of the undercover reds (Who need to get a life btw. Hi RAWK, you all suck) I'm not seeing anyone who is being unreasonable in their apprehensions over us appointing Ancelotti

There are valid questions and points that can be raised, but I personally believe the positives outweigh the negatives and I'll be utterly over the moon if we can get this all sorted

He's a top level manager, the likes of which we haven't seen at this club in a very long time. So long as he gets the backing he needs financially I think we all have reason to be optimistic

However, we are not a cult and this forum doesn't have a hive mind. If people are being contrarion as a way to wind people up then they should be challenged, but I'm not seeing that with most of the people who have some concerns here

I again think back to the Eto'o thread, where anyone who didn't think it was an amazing acquisition were insulted and yelled at. They ended up being proven correct in the end, so instead of hammering people maybe we could all do with a bit more reasoned discussion eh?

Only @davek is allowed to think differently to the ready of us

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

Who’s bothered let him come in and Spend millions and make us great

I think thats the wrong way of doing it.

 

[Deleted member 38674]

If he is backed with money it isn't very baffling is it? This isn't Ancelotti coming to Everton pre Moshiri.

No and I’ve said that. But it’s whether or not he gets the sort of money he would need to turn us into a top team.

How much money is required to do that is subjective, of course. But, for me, there’s at least 6-8 players in our first choice starting line up that don’t work in a top four side - that’s a heck of a rebuild job and a good few hundred million necessary to propel us to there.

If he gets that, brilliant. If he doesn’t, then he’s in unchartered territory as a manager.

 

[catcherintherye]

This appointment certainly puts the whole Usmanov dymanic at Everton back centre-stage, of that there is no doubt. I can't see the circumstances in which Ancelotti would consider us as a viable option based on assurances from Moshiri alone, particularly when Ancelotti will be well versed in how things have developed at Everton since Moshiri came on board. Something significantly more tangible than mere assurances must have been sought and provided.

In many ways this is an appointment that the club simply cannot afford to get wrong again. I do think there is a purist view in that we should ideally be looking to appoint a younger progressive coach with potential, and that would fit the longer term model but we do not have the luxury of taking another punt.

The timing of Ancelotti's departure from Napoli has most definitely been very fortunate for us and it seems they just decided to go for it. I imagine they have made tentative offers to other elite coaches in the past but without any involvement from Usmanov.

Assuming the deal is finalised, our hit rate for successful signings has to improve significantly. In my view that means focusing on 2 players max per window, and that means spending in excess of the £20-£30m that seems to have become the norm for individual signings. That's where Ancelotti can come in in attracting these players. We are still not shopping in Harrods because we don't have the clout, and probably don't have the cash either, at least not on a sustainable basis.

That strategy requires patience as its by definition a slower and more focussed re-shaping of a squad, but I actually think that can tie in with a 4 1/2 year contract. At that end of that time, I'd expect us to be a far more consistent outfit and potentially ready for consistent European qualification. That would represent success for me and I think it would bring widespread acceptance of a job well done. There is absolute success and relative success and we have to achieve the latter first.

To me it's a marked change of direction. It will have implications for Brands I am sure, but we shouldn't be too hasty to say he can't work under any new arrangement.

Ancelotti wants to manage teams who compete at the top end of their leagues and in Europe. He would have wanted guarantees from Usmanov et al this was the case. We can only imagine these have been given to him.

I have a feeling, as you say we go big, with less frequency. It may be we buy in players for substantially higher values but less of them, potentially mixed with the occasional top prospect Brands sees.

In truth, within this team I think we will add a CB and Zlatan in January. We then need to see how Gbamin beds in.

 

[catcherintherye]

But where is Brands in this?

Thats a very good question. I suspect in the background.