Brands stamps his authority

[davek]

Reckon they'll get along fine and build a good working relationship, but the only thing that worries me is that IF it does go wrong and there's a power struggle, who's their authority?

I don't see anyone in the heirachy of the club that would be able to bang their heads together and tell them to kiss and makeup. DBB is new in her job, Kenwright's an ornament now (especially to these 2, bet neither have even met him), and Moshiri is very passive with this sort of thing by the sounds of it

It would be Moshiri and then we're into a situation where he'd have to choose between a manager HE preferred and a DoF he employed.

 

[davek]

No wonder you end up fighting with everyone. You're going back on the ignore list. I was talking about principles of management, not how good a manager or level of business. You really ought to read what was posted and stop putting your own slant on it.

You made an embarrassing equaltion of football management with the role of a bureaucrat.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

You think that the world of a business manager - a lowly functionary in a corporate hierarchy - is in any way shape or form like that of a football manager: a position that is THE most important at any club and a figure who acts as the conduit through which the outside world connects with a football club?

I suggest you pick up any reasonably written book on the football industry and/or a volume of the history of football....and football management in particular.


Dear me. Staggering ignorance.

Brands position should be (and almost certainly is) broader than simply overseeing the first team and manager. Brands should be overseeing the U23s and the academy as well, and as such the work of Unsworth and Dobson et al.
However, when it comes to first team matters, Silva should be (and likely is) the most important person, whilst Brands is the most important person when it comes to overseeing the football side of the club as a whole.
From Brands comments about there being no point in him signing a player that Silva won't play, it would suggest that this is the case, in contrast to when Spurs and the RS first started playing with the DoF, where they signed players that the manager didn't want or need.

 

[davek]

with respect I think you are confusing the club with the first team here. Silva will and should be the recognised head of the first team and be answerable for it. the playing side of the club (i.e. including youth development and overall strategy ) will be overseen by the DoF, at least that is how I see it. It is a partnership not a hierarchy. if Brands was not in control of the overall playing side of the club then his role would be pointless.

I dont dispute that there's a division of labour there. I used the words 'recognised leader' though. That was the point I made initially yesterday: that we need just one voice at the top of the playing side of the club now (Silvs's) no matter what work was done by whom behind the scenes.

 

[davek]

Brands position should be (and almost certainly is) broader than simply overseeing the first team and manager. Brands should be overseeing the U23s and the academy as well, and as such the work of Unsworth and Dobson et al.
However, when it comes to first team matters, Silva should be (and likely is) the most important person, whilst Brands is the most important person when it comes to overseeing the football side of the club as a whole.
From Brands comments about there being no point in him signing a player that Silva won't play, it would suggest that this is the case, in contrast to when Spurs and the RS first started playing with the DoF, where they signed players that the manager didn't want or need.

I'm sure it'll settle down and we'll hear less of Brands and more of Silva.

I underline I'm not against Brands, I just want the face and voice of this club to be singular and it to be Silva's.

 

[Blackwell Livermore]

with respect I think you are confusing the club with the first team here. Silva will and should be the recognised head of the first team and be answerable for it. the playing side of the club (i.e. including youth development and overall strategy ) will be overseen by the DoF, at least that is how I see it. It is a partnership not a hierarchy. if Brands was not in control of the overall playing side of the club then his role would be pointless.

Silva is firmly planted under Brands' feet.

 

[Groucho]

I'm sure it'll settle down and we'll hear less of Brands and more of Silva.

I underline I'm not against Brands, I just want the face and voice of this club to be singular and it to be Silva's.

I think the pairing has massive potential as long as they work together well.

 

[brieverton]

A good relationship between them can only develop over time. Before that, they really have to take each other on trust, going off whatever has been agreed between them, and the specifications of their roles.

It's a difficult balance to get right, technically in the hierarchy Brands surely has to outrank Silva, but we don't know how that will turn out in practice.

As I see it, Brands has to deliver a structure to support the manager and team off the pitch, and Silva has to work within that structure and deliver on the pitch.

A "partnership" is fine but someone has to be accountable if and when things go wrong. Yes, there can be shared accountability but Silva will find his neck on the line far quicker than Brands so realistically whilst Silva is the fall guy, Brands is, or should be in overall charge of all football matters, and accountable to the board for success or failure.

Either way, we need them both to succeed, and stay long-term.

 

[Chris R]

"Of the £150+ million that was spent over the past 12 months, Jordan Pickford, Cenk Tosun and Theo Walcott have proved to be the only relative success stories.

With numerous flops taking home figures north of £100,000-a-week it is no surprise why the books must be balanced for new recruits, rather than the ‘sell to buy’ line media outlets are trying to peddle."

The "only relative success stories"? I'm not sure I would call Sigurdsson a flop. His season could have been better, yes. Hardly a flop. He's a quality player.

 

[newton-stewart-blues]

Morgan Schneiderlin, another player on massive wages, wants to leave the club.

Did I miss this announcement? Good riddance.

 

[riddick]

"Of the £150+ million that was spent over the past 12 months, Jordan Pickford, Cenk Tosun and Theo Walcott have proved to be the only relative success stories.

With numerous flops taking home figures north of £100,000-a-week it is no surprise why the books must be balanced for new recruits, rather than the ‘sell to buy’ line media outlets are trying to peddle."

The "only relative success stories"? I'm not sure I would call Sigurdsson a flop. His season could have been better, yes. Hardly a flop. He's a quality player.

He's also hardly a success. 4 goals and 3 assists is really poor.

 

[Death]

So is Marco the assistant ye?

 

[jazzy]

So is Marco the assistant ye?

Oh yes no doubt there

 

[gonetomorrow]

The namesh Brandsh - Marshel Bransh.

 

[Brisan123]

No. I have nothing against Brands. I've explained that. But here's how I see it: the hierarchy of the club on the playing side of things is....

Manager

Assistant manager

First team coaches

Captain of the team

The rest of the players

Director of football

As the bible says
And the last shall be first