blue union meeting.

[Pienaar's gloves]

To be fair Groucho if you are'nt informed about the board by now you are never going to be,the people who are by nature
online on most forums are either for or against and the vast majority of fans take club information from local media

There are thousands of Evertonians out there with little knowledge and no real opinion of the board.

 

[atrottel]

Of course redeveloping Goodison Park is possible.

Whether it makes short term economic sense is the question.

'Short term' being key under our current regime and setup.

Well, in the long run we are all dead. But still...

So we have ca. 39000 capacity at the moment and average attendance is 38,000-ish? The two 'heritage options' on the proposals above envisage 43,000 - 53,000 and a (perhaps not 'official') cost of 100 million has been mentioned.

To pay off that 'investment' in increased attendances would require around 2,500,000 additional match-day seats sold. At 4,000 extra seats it would take just above 600 matches sold out and with 14,000 extra seats it would take around just under 180 matches sold out.

Of course this is not including any 'extra' costs involved, such as interest on loans or the opportunity cost of other things that could be done with that money, or any 'extra' revenue, such as corporate boxes, naming, etc.

So around 30 years to pay off investment on smallest idea and around 9 years at the next smallest.

(Non-sold-out matches, reduced season ticket average prices and kid's prices would of course extend that timescale. I didn't do the sums on the larger attendances as those are the kind of stadium sizes that have been mentioned before and anything over 53,000 sold out seems extremely optimistic.)

Of course, in reality there is not a do-nothing option for 30 years so at some point an investment of some kind is going to have to be made.

 

[banno]

But this goes back to the fact that for years the BU have attacked the board and other supporters for accepting second best and not showing ambition, now with WHP on the table from the council a new stadium is clearly the better option than a make do and mend of Goodison.

Opinions differ. I am for Goodison redevelopment not a mend and make do. I also believe the BU didn't attack the board but exposed them for what they are and that is 'unsuitable to run EFC'. Think the BU have been attacked rather than than attacking fellow supporters for one reason only........upsetting BK.

 

[Muggins]

Sake mate. I'm literally asking what are they doing and if it makes a difference as I don't know.

Why are people so defensive about it??

I wouldn't either bother mate.

This "you're either with us or against us" attitude will be their undoing.

Not winning many hearts and minds but rather creating a bad reputation in my opinion.

 

[jaycee]

There are thousands of Evertonians out there with little knowledge and no real opinion of the board.

Thats what im trying to state,the people who frequent forums are mostly already for or against the board,the thousands without opinion are mostly getting their news from local media who arent giving the full picture as seen by the in depth kitbag investigation,that gave no real insight into anything

 

[Dithering Dougie]

Opinions differ. I am for Goodison redevelopment not a mend and make do. I also believe the BU didn't attack the board but exposed them for what they are and that is 'unsuitable to run EFC'. Think the BU have been attacked rather than than attacking fellow supporters for one reason only........upsetting BK.

I wouldn't either bother mate.

This "you're either with us or against us" attitude will be their undoing.

Not winning many hearts and minds but rather creating a bad reputation in my opinion.

In a nutshell.

 

[Groucho]

To be fair Groucho if you are'nt informed about the board by now you are never going to be,the people who are by nature
online on most forums are either for or against and the vast majority of fans take club information from local media

Yes that's a fair point.

But I do wish folk could find a middle ground and discuss it. We'll definitely get absolutely nowhere while the for and against are so vehemently locked in battle with each other.

The fact that Everton is what we're all interested in should never be lost on people of any opinion, but all to often it turns into a slanging match.

As I say, there needs to be a middle ground, it'd be easier for all.

 

[bizzaro]

This might be a ridiculous statement here, but you never know unless you ask.

Could crowdfunding help out here? I know these are some vast sums of money but if the club offered a system up, say you donated a tenner and got an picture signed by the squad, £150 and they put on a special do with the players that you could attend, £500 and you could get all the above and a plaque built into the redeveloped Goodison, and then big things for people who donate thousands, like a seat in the new development for x number of years.

Could be absolute pie in the sky but I would donate, possibly quite a lot.

Trying to engage a can-do attitude and apply it to Everton!

I'm sure if they put the name of every fan on a brick or whatever of each fan who contributed.

I would defo contribute £1000.00 on that basis and buy a couple of bricks.

 

[bizzaro]

PS. I would not support a redevelopment of goodison for a capacity anything lower than 55,000

Since ultimately we will be in a similar wasted opportunity position as we find with the current Park End's limited capacity.


You either build big (in what is a once in a life time development).

OR GO HOME.

Since spending £100 million to only boost capacity by 5000 simply isn't worth it.

 

[Pat's Van]

I would defo contribute £1000.00 on that basis and buy a couple of bricks.

one each for matt damon and bizzaro?

 

[banno]

Yes that's a fair point.

But I do wish folk could find a middle ground and discuss it. We'll definitely get absolutely nowhere while the for and against are so vehemently locked in battle with each other.

The fact that Everton is what we're all interested in should never be lost on people of any opinion, but all to often it turns into a slanging match.

As I say, there needs to be a middle ground, it'd be easier for all.

Think its gone past that Groucho. The middle ground is lost and has been lost since the tape script came out. Some applauded the exposure and some were horrified that our Chairman was made to look the fool. Now its a slanging match because whatever BU say (right or wrong) is slated and ridiculed without substance and that makes BU defend there opinion by fighting back. Its a lost cause now and that middle ground is lost forever. Shame really.

 

[bizzaro]

one each for matt damon and bizzaro?

At least one for me and one for the family.

Like I said. Spending £100 million on a stadium development has to add 15,000 onto current capacity.

Or you will not potentially generate sufficient revenue for amortisation of it over 5 to 10 years

 

[banno]

PS. I would not support a redevelopment of goodison for a capacity anything lower than 55,000

Since ultimately we will be in a similar wasted opportunity position as we find with the current Park End's limited capacity.


You either build big (in what is a once in a life time development).

OR GO HOME.

Since spending £100 million to only boost capacity by 5000 simply isn't worth it.

Would 61,000 float your boat, as is the proposal.

 

[bizzaro]

Would 61,000 float your boat, as is the proposal.

That would certainly be nice.

Would give us the advantage over Spurs and West Ham too.

The challenge - which is the one we want - is to max it out every game.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

Anyone else just had enough of all this,the original proposal of a move to Kirkby with PJ at the helm was back in 1997 I think,we are no further down the line than we were then,in fact we have gone backwards whilst other in my mind "lesser" clubs have been proactive,can we just make a start on what we own,I.e.goodison park,pleeeeeeaaasssseee!