2019/20 Bill Kenwright

[Death]

Which one of the two is the biggest blue? Asking for my separated wife's new boyfriend/it's complicated.

 

[Death]

@orly View attachment 52924

Sam's not too bad under the clothes. Expected worse.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

We won the cup in spite of Johnson, not because of him. And the manager who won it, a club legend of cause was then leaving under a dark cloud a few months later because of a fall out with the owner.

And is that all it's about? We were involved in two relegation battles, sold a player (our best one no less) under a managers nose, sent a top goalie to Leeds with directions, attempted to change Z Cars and tried to move to Cronton.

I don't even know where Cronton is.

It was far more than that to be fair

Joe gave us an entire season after that and left during 96/97

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Which running gag in this thread deserves more love? Asking for my gynecologist

 

[GwladysBlue]

We won the cup in spite of Johnson, not because of him. And the manager who won it, a club legend of cause was then leaving under a dark cloud a few months later because of a fall out with the owner.

And is that all it's about? We were involved in two relegation battles, sold a player (our best one no less) under a managers nose, sent a top goalie to Leeds with directions, attempted to change Z Cars and tried to move to Cronton.

I don't even know where Cronton is.

Near enough all of that can be linked with Kenwright, too. Rooney, Kirkby, etc.

Let’s not forget that Kenwright sat on Johnson’s board, too.

 

[Toast]

Which running gag in this thread deserves more love? Asking for my gynecologist

It's always the Arteta money..

 

[GwladysPhil]

What we actually nearly moved to Cronton?

 

[Cameron Manning]

There safety thing will be the one thing I remember him for, lying to the fans to suit his own agenda. He’s done it many times but he made this sound serious when in reality it was a lie. Moshiri gets called a lot of things but probably done more in his first 2 years than Bill did in 20. No doubt if he’s still here while we win something you will see him on every northwest news programme claiming credit. Only ever seen him when things were good and disappeared during bad times.

Absolutely true, outside the Main entrance with big smile on his face in the good times, nowhere to be seen when things were tough, a cringe worthy phoney of the highest order,gets no respect off me, a self serving parasite,lived off the Blues
and looked after himself and made brewsters without putting much into the club.

 

[StreetEndBlue]

We won the cup in spite of Johnson, not because of him. And the manager who won it, a club legend of cause was then leaving under a dark cloud a few months later because of a fall out with the owner.

And is that all it's about? We were involved in two relegation battles, sold a player (our best one no less) under a managers nose, sent a top goalie to Leeds with directions, attempted to change Z Cars and tried to move to Cronton.

I don't even know where Cronton is.

Johnson appointed the manager which won us the FA Cup and put up the money to sign Amokachi and Ferguson, two players which helped us win it so we hardly won it 'in spite of him'.

And it was nearly two years after that cup win that Royle left in March 1997, not a 'few months later'.

And at least Johnson knew when it was time to get out.

 

[TheSecondComing]

Johnson 1 - Kenwright 0

 

[Papa Shango]

Johnson appointed the manager which won us the FA Cup and put up the money to sign Amokachi and Ferguson, two players which helped us win it so we hardly won it 'in spite of him'.

And it was nearly two years after that cup win that Royle left in March 1997, not a 'few months later'.

And at least Johnson knew when it was time to get out.

It was all down to Royle. All of it.

A lot of the crap that we have had to contend with for the past 15 odd years were because of Johnson.

 

[Papa Shango]

Near enough all of that can be linked with Kenwright, too. Rooney, Kirkby, etc.

Let’s not forget that Kenwright sat on Johnson’s board, too.

Indeed.

You cant level Rooney at him though. Rooney wanted to go. Ferguson didn't.

 

[Papa Shango]

It was far more than that to be fair

Joe gave us an entire season after that and left during 96/97

18 or so months is a few months to me.

Either way he should never have been let go.

 

[StreetEndBlue]

It was all down to Royle. All of it.

A lot of the crap that we have had to contend with for the past 15 odd years were because of Johnson.

You are totally delusional.

So all the problems the club has faced since Johnson sold up are all his fault??

You're clearly not all there. A bit of an embarrassment tbh.

 

[degsy]

Running a football club is essentially running a multi million pound business but with a social / community element to it as well. Bill has ran the business side of Everton like a family business were he is the patriarch who has just kept it going at all costs, gradually weakening it by taking short term decisions to keep it going rather than potentially relinquishing control by looking for ways to grow the business, like accepting outside help. You can make judgements about whether this is due to his personality, love of Everton or some sinister reason but in my view running a multi million pound business is not easy and the vast majority of people will make the wrong decisions, rather than the right decisions that will grow the business and lead to it thriving. His cosy relationship with Moyes is an example of this - Moyes the equivalent of a highly capable General Manager or MD in the family business that is very capable, can control costs and can deliver consistent results each year, with the occasional very good year, but isn't going to try to rock the boat and push to take big risks to grow the business. In that sense I don't think Kenwright is the nefarious character some make out, just that he is out of his depth, terrified of making the wrong decision and prolonging the inevitable - as most of us would be in such a situation.

It demonstrates the point that only a handful of Premier League clubs have managed to be truly successful at the business side of the game and a few of them have received massive cash injections to do it. Moshiri is more ambitious than Kenwright but is finding out now how difficult it is to make the right decisions in football, whatever your background. On the community side it is well documented that he has done good work and kept the club much more active and successful in that sense than a lot of our peers, which is commendable and should be celebrated, but neither that or commercial success (if there were any) are substitutes for success on the pitch and on the pitch we haven't been successful by any real measure during his tenure.

With that in mind it is fair to say that Kenwright doesn't deserve a stand named after him, or to be lauded as a hero or a villain, just to be remembered as the teams during his tenure will be - hardworking but limited, punching above their weight on occasion but ultimately never pushing on and just being, well, average. With hindsight everything is easy, but to be successful Kenwright would have needed a mix of money, luck, incredible business acumen and foresight to anticipate the changes in football in the last 20 years and to capitalise on them. In reality he had none of those things, but in his defense only the best people do, which means that if we take Nil Satis Nisi Optimum seriously as a club motto Kenwright isn't good enough and never was, and we should be looking to move on from him to something better, rather than lionise him as something he's not.

Kenwright & Moyes; Its hard to separate them, both had 'good' and 'bad' traits.
Their 'good' bits got us to where we where...wherever that was in your own mind...and their 'faults' stopped us going the further step up the ladder we all thought we could manage...if only he/they would/could...well you fill it in.