Better than 85-87

[Jimmy Grimble]

Which players, since we last won the league have been better than the first 11's we had then?
The idea for this thread comes from reading @Eggs saying that Baines wasn't up to the standard of van den hauwe.
For example, if we replace sheedy with richarlison are we still winning the league?
Was lescott better than mountfield? Who are you taking out, and who is slotting in? You can't go for Harper or Richardson because they weren't first choice.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Which players, since we last won the league have been better than the first 11's we had then?
The idea for this thread comes from reading @Eggs saying that Baines wasn't up to the standard of van den hauwe.
For example, if we replace sheedy with richarlison are we still winning the league?
Was lescott better than mountfield? Who are you taking out, and who is slotting in? You can't go for Harper or Richardson because they weren't first choice.

Really they've all been better. Rewatching some of the games from the 80s they've put out recently on YouTube is eye opening. The game has come a loooong way.

Anyway compared to their era, Kanchelskis, Baines, Lukaku and maybe Gueye, Richarlison or Arteta. The list of players we've had who you can say were at the top of the game when they played since 1987 is quite small.

 

[blue61]

Nobody would get in the 85 team apart from Hibbert.

 

[maccavennie]

Technically they've all been better. Rewatching some of the games from the 80s they've put out recently on YouTube is eye opening. The game has come a loooong way.

Anyway compared to their era, Kanchelskis, Baines, Lukaku and maybe Gueye, Richarlison or Arteta. The list of players we've had who you can say were at the top of the game when they played since 1987 is quite small.

Its not just technical ability that wins leagues, it's mental strength and desire.

85-87 side had winners. Lots of them.

We've had individual quality over the years but never had 5/6 at the same time to really make an impact.

 

[edge]

Hard as it's a different game now.
Those players in 85 ect would have been so different with modern ,training , eating ect think a lot of the modern players are more athletic and faster, but passion and skill wise are behind the earlier players dont forget they were getting tackles flying in as a norm that would be at least a booking now, if they had the protection of modern players imagine the likes of Tricky Trevor /Sheedy they would look world beaters .
Saying that the modern players havnt had the chance to play in a really good team so who knows how good they would look surrounded by 10 other good players.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Its not just technical ability that wins leagues, it's mental strength and desire.

85-87 side had winners. Lots of them.

We've had individual quality over the years but never had 5/6 at the same time to really make an impact.

I didn't mean technical ability. Bad wording. I just mean the game has come so far that any team in the PL now would run wild in the 80s and before. Maybe even the 90s too. A team like City wouldn't lose.

 

[Rob17896]

Which players, since we last won the league have been better than the first 11's we had then?
The idea for this thread comes from reading @Eggs saying that Baines wasn't up to the standard of van den hauwe.
For example, if we replace sheedy with richarlison are we still winning the league?
Was lescott better than mountfield? Who are you taking out, and who is slotting in? You can't go for Harper or Richardson because they weren't first choice.

Baines was/is better than Van den Hauwe by a mile...no a million miles. Cahill was better than Heath. Tricky Trev however was more effective than Arteta. It is about blend though. Pienaar

Which players, since we last won the league have been better than the first 11's we had then?
The idea for this thread comes from reading @Eggs saying that Baines wasn't up to the standard of van den hauwe.
For example, if we replace sheedy with richarlison are we still winning the league?
Was lescott better than mountfield? Who are you taking out, and who is slotting in? You can't go for Harper or Richardson because they weren't first choice.

Van den Hauwe was not as good as John Bailey, never mind Baines. He was as lucky as a Neville at Man U to be in that team. Cahill was better than Heath, nobody could displace Tricky Trev though and we have never found another Peter Reid. But it is about blend. Pienaar was not a Sheedy but Baines/Pienaar against Van den Hauwe/Sheedy is a tough one. Would go with Van den Hauwe/Sheedy because out of all four Sheedy was the matchwinner.

 

[orly]

The only player in his position who it cannot be debated has ever in the history of Everton had anyone better than him is Neville Southall.

Easily the best goalkeeper in our history.

Even Alan Ball you could say has had peers, like Ross Barkley and Steven Pienaar

 

[chrismpw]

Really they've all been better. Rewatching some of the games from the 80s they've put out recently on YouTube is eye opening. The game has come a loooong way.

Anyway compared to their era, Kanchelskis, Baines, Lukaku and maybe Gueye, Richarlison or Arteta. The list of players we've had who you can say were at the top of the game when they played since 1987 is quite small.

Sorry - I've seen the same matches and simply disagree. The game has lost cut and thrust, variety, strength, resilience and is now more akin to ballet-netball than football. Very few modern footballers would stand out if the game were played in the same way it was in the 80s.

 

[chrismpw]

The only player in his position who it cannot be debated has ever in the history of Everton had anyone better than him is Neville Southall.

Easily the best goalkeeper in our history.

Even Alan Ball you could say has had peers, like Ross Barkley and Steven Pienaar

*reads this and clears off for the night.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Sorry - I've seen the same matches and simply disagree. The game has lost cut and thrust, variety, strength, resilience and is now more akin to ballet-netball than football. Very few modern footballers would stand out if the game were played in the same way it was in the 80s.

Yes mate, the players got better.

 

[chrismpw]

Yes mate, the players got better.

Just no.

 

[jaycee]

Yes mate, the players got better.

Fitter,faster not better

 

[The binman chronicles]

It doesn't take into effect that the other teams players have improved so much since then. Of course a lot of our players in more recent times have been better but whether they have the heart and desire of the 87 team is another question.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Fitter,faster not better

Well those two things make better players, but putting that aside I'd challenge you to watch a 1987 Everton game and the watch a 2019 Manchester City game. It's a different universe skill wise.