Being the Best

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Difficult this @AndyC for me anyway.

It's very hard to compare the passion of a El Classico to a game at that absolute state of a ground at West Ham.

And comparing Messi to Lukaku, two totally different types of footballer seems a little unfair too.

However, in essence you are right. Just try your hardest every game and nobody will be arsed.
 
Think this is a pretty unfair assessment really, I get the sentiment, your trying to point out what desire can get you, but to compare one of the greatest players to adorn the game of football with Rom, who is trying to become a top striker is a bit unfair to start with. They play in different positions so have different influences on the game, with different instructions and are surrounded by a different level of player. West Ham put 1 man on Lukaku and 1 on Barkley, any attacking threat we had died there, it's not Lukaku's job to drop deep to collect the ball, he doesn't have Suarez and Neymar/Alcacer around him to put fear into the defence. He has to stay up top which makes it hard to influence a game and show any kind of work rate or desire when your team mates offer nothing to get it to you.
To then make the comparison about what could be argued is the biggest game in club football is also unfair, motivation is through the roof in a game like this, your biggest rivals, the best players in the world, the crowd up for it screaming insults, the opposition singling you out for the rough treatment etc, whereas a game against West Ham which has no real relevance, a team with nothing to play for, you have no rivalry with, in a stadium that inspires insipidness, no atmosphere and poor players all round you. Where was Messi when they played Malaga or Deportivo? Teams in a similar position to West Ham.
Its also worth pointing out that Messi can be similarly lacking desire, he however, has a gift that even when he cant be bothered allows him to skip past 5 players lob the goalie and walk of the hero again, as good as Rom is, he does not have that gift.
If you was going to find a reason to slate Lukaku, it would have been a fairer assessment to pick someone who has to play a similar role to Rom, a lone striker with hardly any support who is expected to be in the box to finish off the moves.
 
Was wondering where you were going with the comparisons initially because as you rightly pointed out, Everton are a long way away from teams (clubs) like Real Madrid and Barcelona. I also think the comparison and criticism you have made is pretty much aimed solely at Romelu Lukaku and maybe to an extent Ross Barkley. Lukaku is the only player in our squad who could have a legitimate claim to be talked about in the same sentence as Barcelona and Real Madrid due to his goal scoring exploits and I agree with the points you have made about him. I feel it's the main reason why he hasn't got his dream move yet, because he lacks that desire when it really counts.

Similarly, I think Barkley, whilst very talented, should be standing up in comparisons with Dele Alli and I think Alli is streets ahead of him at the moment in many areas that Barkley should be at a similar level. I don't think Alli has many attributes that make him clearly better than Barkley, but he managed to apply himself in nearly every game. It seems to me that the main difference between them is confidence, desire and belief in their own ability. Talent wise I genuinely think Barkley is at least as good as him.

Good post though and I enjoyed reading the stuff about Messi, for me the greatest player during my lifetime and one of the best ever.

I reckon the difference between Alli and Barkley is intelligence, decision making and positioning.

People often overlook a players intelligence because it's hard to quantify but great players normally make the right decisions when they have the ball.

Ross often spends too long deciding what to do with it then loses posession. The best players are always aware of where their teamates are, and are often deciding what they'll do with the ball before they get it. Ross seems to wait until he has the ball, then decides what to do with it.

I think Ross has the natural ability, not sure he the football intelligence to make the most of his skills though. It may suddenly all click for him but it could turn out that he stays at a similar level to what he is now, which is a good level, just don't know wether he'll take the next step up or not. He's still got age on his side. Players like Lampard started off as good players but then had breakthrough seasons where he figured out how to play at a higher level and get in better positions to find space and score goals.
 
Think the same comparison can be made to ronaldo as well, and ibrahimovic, both massively talented but also two of the hardest workers in the last decade. You compare that to some of the dross we've seen in the premier league like payet, arnautovic etc. They just can't be arsed to push themselves at the end of the day, they'd rather just sulk and moan and get stroppy.

But that's the way it is, footballers get paid fortunes and it's all on a plate for them pretty much as soon as they start. I think lukaku tries his hardest all the time, he is one of the more knowledgable footballers in world football, he just has him limitations, oppositions know these limitations and prey on it.

All in all, i don't really care if he lives up to his reputation when he's left, we draw such games because we don't have the talent yet. Our squad is what it is, a lot of talented players who won't turn up in some games like these because that's why they're playing for everton and not real madrid. It's partly talent, partly desire and partly because they cost about £8m and not £40m like nearly every real madrid or barca player does.
 
PASSHUN. Nice words lid, like a contrary viewpoint to mine like that, eloquently put.

Seriously though y'all need to give your heads a wobble over Lukaku. You're gonna miss him when he's gone. It's nothing short of ridiculous some of the criticism I've seen threw at him.

He's not gonna be Messi, Maradona, Pele or Puskas. He's very good though, one of the best you'll ever see up front for Everton.

There's a whole host of mouth breathers like illustrated by that beaut Jeff Stelling's rant all hung up on PASSHUN and kissing the badge. I'd rather Evertonians didn't fall for that media driven crap, but each to their own.
 
PASSHUN. Nice words lid, like a contrary viewpoint to mine like that, eloquently put.

Seriously though y'all need to give your heads a wobble over Lukaku. You're gonna miss him when he's gone. It's nothing short of ridiculous some of the criticism I've seen threw at him.

He's not gonna be Messi, Maradona, Pele or Puskas. He's very good though, one of the best you'll ever see up front for Everton.

There's a whole host of mouth breathers like illustrated by that beaut Jeff Stelling's rant all hung up on PASSHUN and kissing the badge. I'd rather Evertonians didn't fall for that media driven crap, but each to their own.

It's a weird one though mate.

I've always (prays to vault gods) been a massive Lukaku fan, he's got so much quality.

I actually thought that the will to be the best is actually something that should be levelled at the whole squad, rather than just Lukaku. When he is fully dialed in he probably wants to win more that anyone.

But we've seen points totals run down on several occasions when it has looked hopeless - City saving the country from doom after being utterly cheated at Anfield, people forget that Skrtel was allowed to literally punch the ball in the penalty box in front of Clattenburg (how did that appointment get through ffs) - and I would have liked to have seen our entire team show a bit more application at the weekend. It's often the difference when quality is lacking. Not badge kissing rot like Funes Mori at Anfield, or hammering the turf crap, just a general will to win when there remains hope of a bigger prize
 
Is it not the case that the desire is lacking because the team he plays for is not at 'his level?

Not dismissing the club but as lukaku gets better each year we don't seem to match that , in both league placing and transfer either. So if he knows his his agent he is biding time until he leaves then you can see why he wouldn't be arsed. Simply put, if goals he scored buys him that move then the desire never has to follow it because we are his stepping stone.
 
It's a weird one though mate.

I've always (prays to vault gods) been a massive Lukaku fan, he's got so much quality.

I actually thought that the will to be the best is actually something that should be levelled at the whole squad, rather than just Lukaku. When he is fully dialed in he probably wants to win more that anyone.

But we've seen points totals run down on several occasions when it has looked hopeless - City saving the country from doom after being utterly cheated at Anfield, people forget that Skrtel was allowed to literally punch the ball in the penalty box in front of Clattenburg (how did that appointment get through ffs) - and I would have liked to have seen our entire team show a bit more application at the weekend. It's often the difference when quality is lacking.
You have my vote dear orly.
 
This is all part of the separation process. Many of you start picking fault and demonise the player likely to leave Everton so that when the inevitable happens you hope you'll be nonchalant about it.

Whilst it's an admirable defence mechanism there's an inevitability of you being sat in your pants at home crying into your microwave dinner for one as Everton fail to replace him and you're sat there alone, oh so alone.

You should have fought for her mate. She's getting smashed at will on date weekends away. The lad is in better shape than you and has more money. She's loving it. It's what she wanted and you couldn't/wouldn't change to accommodate her.

Die alone, all alone and it's all your fault.

Genuinely no idea what I'm typing here or why.
 
This is all part of the separation process. Many of you start picking fault and demonise the player likely to leave Everton so that when the inevitable happens you hope you'll be nonchalant about it.

Whilst it's an admirable defence mechanism there's an inevitability of you being sat in your pants at home crying into your microwave dinner for one as Everton fail to replace him and you're sat there alone, oh so alone.

You should have fought for her mate. She's getting smashed at will on date weekends away. The lad is in better shape than you and has more money. She's loving it. It's what she wanted and you couldn't/wouldn't change to accommodate her.

Die alone, all alone and it's all your fault.

Genuinely no idea what I'm typing here or why.

I dread to think what posts will be like next season when Wilfried Bony is subbed off for Andre Gray as we try to snatch a late equaliser at home to Brighton.
 
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