Being more direct is the way to go?

[nsno-chris]

Ha Ha Ha.

You're incapable of providing a counter argument but I'm that one not grasping the finer detail.

Ok. We'll leave it there.

No dave, you're wrong and you have no knowledge or understanding of statistics. Move on and read a book

What you've basically done, in layman's terms, is something like looking at the amount of car crashes in the last 6 months on the m62 and categorised the cars by colour. Then determined that the coloured car involved in the most accidents is the problem and it should be banned from the road

like I said I can't have a debate with someone who knows absolutely nothing about the situation, it's impossible because no matter what you think your theory is correct.

It's quite embarrassing

 

[Khalekan]

We have to do both and more as and when required
In Boxing terms; we have to be Fighter, Boxer, counter puncher, be able to dance round the ring like Ali when required, pummel them in a corner and be able to be prepared for and give out the odd low blow and head to the eyebrow.

And bite off the odd ear

 

[davek]

It's down to the opposition realising if they press us high, put us under pressure and force errors, then we're effectively beaten as they break the link between our defence and midfield, so much so that we're reduced to panicked clearances to Naismith and Lukaku as an outball and we're under pressure for 90 minutes. That's why the total passes fall away, because if teams stop us dicking around in the back four, then our total pass rate will fall. It ain't rocket science

That's what happened this season. You're looking at the Everton reasons for why it's failed, when the reality is the opposition become wise to us and nullified a predictable tactical setup.

Martinez believes in hurting opponents rather than worrying about them hurting you. I can understand why you're a fan of that - I am too - but the problem is if you worry too much about your own team imposing themselves, you lose sight of what the opposition are doing and therefore you don't manage the bigger picture.

It's a balancing act. Martinez got it wrong this season, and spectacularly so up until, well, yesterday, and that's the reason fans were booing when 3-0 up against QPR, because it doesn't matter if one garbage side sits back and offers nothing on their travels, a semi-decent side will still turn us over 9 times out of 10 playing that way. It's about setting up to your teams strengths given the situation, not sticking rigidly to a failing philosophy.

Look, you're in danger of not seeing the wood for the trees here and missing something pretty fundamental that's being said. The breaking down of the passing game at the back is - as you point out - leading to less control and more pitching it longer (we use longer passes now than all but nine other teams in the division and that's backed up by those figures I supplied showing a dramatic fall off in how well we work it out from deep in our own half). It's not a fruitful way of coping with what's thrown at us though. We know that because our results have been woeful of late. However, some are advocating we play this way, not just because we're under duress, but as a matter of course....to change up to a more "mixed" approach (code for 'going long').


This is my point, and it's unassailable as I see it: the cure is worse than the disease.


Leave it to the manager. He has a way of playing that over the long run will get us better results than turning the clock back to some Moyes inspired up and under football....which is what the many apostles he left behind amongst our support would love to happen.

 

[davek]

No dave, you're wrong and you have no knowledge or understanding of statistics. Move on and read a book

What you've basically done, in layman's terms, is something like looking at the amount of car crashes in the last 6 months on the m62 and categorised the cars by colour. Then determined that the coloured car involved in the most accidents is the problem and it should be banned from the road

like I said I can't have a debate with someone who knows absolutely nothing about the situation, it's impossible because no matter what you think your theory is correct.

It's quite embarrassing

Ha Ha Ha.

Ok.

 

[L4Everton]

Look, you're in danger of not seeing the wood for the trees here and missing something pretty fundamental

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-52653-Trading-Places-Eddie-Murphy-wt-rPuc.gif

 

[AlE]

No dave, you're wrong and you have no knowledge or understanding of statistics. Move on and read a book

What you've basically done, in layman's terms, is something like looking at the amount of car crashes in the last 6 months on the m62 and categorised the cars by colour. Then determined that the coloured car involved in the most accidents is the problem and it should be banned from the road

like I said I can't have a debate with someone who knows absolutely nothing about the situation, it's impossible because no matter what you think your theory is correct.

It's quite embarrassing

Hmm... Not entirely sure you know what you're talking about

 

[The Equaliser]

And there was I thinking a sort of truce had been called after today's result.

 

[L4Everton]

And there was I thinking a sort of truce had been called after today's result.

That wouldn't be the first universe of wrong in this thread.

 

[chicoazul]

Yeah good mate, in your old haunt of Paphos at the mo.

Grim time of year to be there like, how long you there for mate?

I'd be right in Aces and on it.

 

[tommye]

 

[BluePeadar]

Barry if you are in here we are going to Tony's for burgers later

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Dave peeped put from behind his pillow on Tuesday and then he's jumped out shaking his knob in the face of his neighbours tonight

Unfortunately he's been arrested for exposing his cocktail sausage of an argument here.

#daveshadamareherelike

 

[johnnydawg68]

Flexibility. No one wants hoofball, but we've made more errors that have led to goals than anyone in the prem. That is, literally, the entire story of why we are where we are. Errors in our own end.

Stones makes a massive difference. Stones making passes in our own end is VERY different than Distain play the same way.

 

[riddick]

I think it was more the pressing that led to a lot of our chances today as opposed to the directness. The pressing allowed us to get balls in a nice area and feed Lukaku.




The 'funny' thing is its almost exactly what every team does to us and what we had not done to anyone this season until now. Its just crazy how things that worked awesomely last season were abandoned this season.

 

[degsy]

Look, you're in danger of not seeing the wood for the trees here and missing something pretty fundamental that's being said. The breaking down of the passing game at the back is - as you point out - leading to less control and more pitching it longer (we use longer passes now than all but nine other teams in the division and that's backed up by those figures I supplied showing a dramatic fall off in how well we work it out from deep in our own half). It's not a fruitful way of coping with what's thrown at us though. We know that because our results have been woeful of late. However, some are advocating we play this way, not just because we're under duress, but as a matter of course....to change up to a more "mixed" approach (code for 'going long').


This is my point, and it's unassailable as I see it: the cure is worse than the disease.


Leave it to the manager. He has a way of playing that over the long run will get us better results than turning the clock back to some Moyes inspired up and under football....which is what the many apostles he left behind amongst our support would love to happen.

We neither want nor need a return to Moyes, which may or may not have been all 'up and under'. What it was was KITAP1... by any means, but first and for most...playing not to lose.
Martinez tries to plays to try to win and mixing it up is not code for anything.
It's plain English for mixing it up ( in this case, mine and many others ) various passing / playing styles as suited at any given moment in the game.
Like it or not Roberto, maybe with some 'encouragement' from the Board, the players, the press, even us fans, has, for the last 2 games, changed 'something(s)' not a lot, but enough to show an improvement via a more varied approach.
Which, early days yet, managed a shaky draw Vs WHam and a good draw Vs City...and 2 'comeback goals' now when was the last time that happened.
Anyway I've had enough of your 'Unassailable' views. Which is code for...refusing to see the evidence of my own eyes
#goinglongmyar*e