Are we all becoming woke snowflakes?

[Prevenger17]

Hey, remember when fried chicken was the first thing that used to pop into our heads when we thought of Lukaku? Hahahaha

No me neither.

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Oof, first time I've seen that.

 

[Bungle]

Chris absolutely 100% has been sacked by the BBC. Nea. Possibly from head of diversity and inclusion.

If he'd just stuck with the BBC staple of groping kids he'd have still been in a job.

 

[Bungle]

Oof, first time I've seen that.

Simpler times

Romelu Lukaku

lukaku or dembele dolberg sandro same cost easy decision Does this include wages?

www.grandoldteam.com

 

[cronullasharks]

Unless it's being angry that Anne Hathaway is cast in anything

I'd prefer to see Haddaway sing What is Love

 

[Death]

Just look at how long men had the vote before women in Britain. A paltry amount of time.
We would all be led to believe it was forever. Even then it was about 50 percent still couldnt.
There is truth in your statement.

Restrictive speech on the internet is just a symptom of the deeper lying issues in society. Im sure if you lived in post world war one germany you might understand the consequences of a slippery slope.
Its all good and well writing about historical incidents and comparing them to the current situation. However, i live in the now and the last 20 years in Scotland have demonstrated a decline in many positive factors. One of which is the usage of words.
I like that we are all different, i dont like that being different gives you power over others.
Perhaps it would have been prudent of me to mention that with freedom of speech comes responsibility.
A joke however is only a joke, unless of course you can prove malice.
What do you think of the cinemas banning films in the uk?
All because of fear…
Dont forget history has a habit of repeating itself. Maybe we should be free to discuss everything.
And thanks for your well thought out and frankly fair opinion.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Nah wasn't really a fan. That was back then when it was soley an artistic choice. Wasn't chosen solely cause he was black. I like the new ones where that's the one and only reason. It's about the message.

Trading places was just incidental. They don't get any points from me for that.

Forgive the double quote,
The scene in the gents when the single dollar bill is handed over, Trading Places is very much a purposeful and knowing touchstone in cinema history, the oppressive older gents with their racist ways get heir comeuppance.

 

[Rita_Poon]

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Dont foget to use your nails girls (IIRC)

 

[Charro]

The Beeb in the recent past have been openly signalling their virtue about how they are positively discriminating to meet certain (arbitrary inhouse) quotas. Now they MAY have found equally capable contributers amongst their minority applicants for jobs... but if their targets for percentages don't reflect those percentages from the society they represent and exceed them then they're guilty of discriminating against the majority. That's not right.

My impression is that standards and quality in the BBC have absolutely crashed in the last decade - reporting and writing in the news app as well as the breadth and depth of content - so it would appear that something isn't right with recruitment. I'm not suggesting in any way that this is down to any particular minority cohort being less talented than any other - I'm suggesting that they're not looking at the right things from an applicant, as they simply focus on meeting arbitrary targets and representation for the hell of it.

You seem to be suggesting throughout this thread that women and BAME people aren't getting roles through their talent, more to do with hitting a quota.

Maybe that is the case, but do you not think these people can just be extremely good at their jobs and the fact more opportunities are opening up for them to show their talent is a good thing?

Two of the best actors this country has produced in the last decade are Dev Patel and Riz Ahmed. Is it not a good thing that these lads now have the platform to tell their stories and showcase their talent?

 

[Death]

Dont foget to use your nails girls (IIRC)

Newt!

 

[Rita_Poon]

Newt!

I've got the lead guitar tune in my mind now. Cant shake it.

 

[chrismpw]

Think this is where I am struggling with your POV

Your choice of words here is intentional, and would suggest you have doubt that what you termed applicants that are, of your view, minority, are only equally and not more capable for these roles, and this is intentional on the part of the BBC to hit a target, rather than, there being potentially less bias now than historically where such capability was ignored on the basis of actual discrimination, under the new guise of trying to be virtue signalling.

Or am I wrong?

I think you're grasping at straws there with my wording, reading stuff into it that wasn't intended. In simply not in a position to know or view their list of applicants fircany particular job so can't judge.

Another suspicion i have about the Beeb, behind all this apparent overt drive for equal representation us that it clearly hides an institutional "jobs for old public school' kids where there are CERTAINLY rewards given for who you know and what school you went to, rather than actual qualifications or talent. I'm convinced this is what is behind some if the dreadfully written articles and reports on their website.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Clearly this subject needs further investigation.

 

[chrismpw]

OK - I've numbered them (bold) for the purpose of replying.

1 - That's the point I previously "picked" out.
2 - It is all good and well writing about historical incidents and comparing as you did so in point 1. So I'm not massively sure why you then refute that illustrative technique with 'However I live in the now...."
3 - I also like how varied people can be. I don't like that those difference can be weaponised either for or against people. Not sure what it's got to do with the subject at hand but I'm happy we're in agreement.
4 - Maybe. And if someone is completely irresponsible do you think other's should have the same freedom to challenge their words with different words? And in certain circumstances should the owner of a privately ran website, establishment or similar have the freedom to say take your words and express them elsewhere?
5 - Not sure what you're talking about if I'm honest. A joke is a joke, malice is malice and malicious jokes are both malice and jokes.
6 - Depends on the film and the reasons why. If a particular cinema chain decides not to show a film then that's on them. Sometimes the financial benefits are outweighed by the drawbacks and cinemas are privately owned commercial entities at heart. But in the end many of these things find a larger audience outside the cinema and will likely hugely benefit from the publicity caused by the decisions not to show.
7 - What is? The cinema chain thing? It likely is.
8 - It does repeat itself. And you are free to discuss everything. Whether here, Mumsnet, 4Chan, Guardian comments section, Stormfront or even that Dutch canal barge website that @chrismpw mentioned a while back. Some things will go down better on some of these sites than others but you're certainly free to discuss pretty much anything if you look around.

Point of order here .... it was a Dutch Barge website - for people who run or are interested in the style of ship. Not a Dutch site where people discuss canals.

Don't want people to think I'm some kind of weirdo.

 

[davids]

You seem to be suggesting throughout this thread that women and BAME people aren't getting roles through their talent, more to do with hitting a quota.

Maybe that is the case, but do you not think these people can just be extremely good at their jobs and the fact more opportunities are opening up for them to show their talent is a good thing?

Two of the best actors this country has produced in the last decade are Dev Patel and Riz Ahmed. Is it not a good thing that these lads now have the platform to tell their stories and showcase their talent?

Obviously they are good actors and I'm sure they will continue to work on a regular basis,the problem comes if they are shoehorned into shows that don't suit their talents to suit an agenda.

 

[PKwalnuts]

I think you're grasping at straws there with my wording, reading stuff into it that wasn't intended. In simply not in a position to know or view their list of applicants fircany particular job so can't judge.

Another suspicion i have about the Beeb, behind all this apparent overt drive for equal representation us that it clearly hides an institutional "jobs for old public school' kids where there are CERTAINLY rewards given for who you know and what school you went to, rather than actual qualifications or talent. I'm convinced this is what is behind some if the dreadfully written articles and reports on their website.

Fair enough.
I just seen so many assumptions and tried for clairty.
I still don't get the whole point, but maybe that is because it really doesn't matter to me at all about this assumed agenda being true or not?