2020/21 Andre Gomes

[Lanolin]

Once Gomes wins the ball, he should have timed/bent his run.

Nah, the only sensible thing to do in Gomes's position was run with the ball. Regardless of whether Richarlison was already off (he was) you have to carry the ball yourself and draw people towards to you while Richarlison gets in a position to score. It wasn't even a good pass, it was straight into his feet when he had about 30 yards of space to put it into. It was absolutely awful all round.

 

[ToffeeTim]

What i would also say is that if Richarlison didn't try to drop off and intercept back passes or press the keeper, then people would question his commitment. He clearly can't win. He also wouldn't be able to capitalise on mistakes.

He had a really bad game in front of goal and i dont like his petulance, but this was nothing to do with him. He was just trying to press and make something happen. Extremely normal forward play that happens 50 times a game.

 

[MikeH72]

He would have been caught though. Richarlison was caught and he was 15 yards ahead of Gomes. If Richarlison runs the other way, then fine he carries it, but given the run Richarlison makes, he makes the right pass. Richarlison messed the finish up, and also messed his run up by sprinting offside as Gomes was making the pass. Complete un utter mindless.

I have to say, I do find people's inability to criticise Richarlison staggering. I like the guy a lot, but he can have games. He's untouchable it seems, even when he fluffs about 6 clear chances.

He wouldn’t have been caught because the other defender was following Richarlison?? Absolutely nothing you can say can convince me that passing to a player miles offside when you have acres to run into was the right thing to do.

It has nothing to do with not wanting to criticise Richarlison. In fact if you go and look in his thread and the match thread I’ve been more critical of him than most. You have an inability to criticise Gomes, you blow smoke up him whenever he has a game where he doesn’t give 48 passes away, but he is a dreadful ineffective player who will be nowhere near our side if we ever amount to anything decent.

 

[catcherintherye]

Nah, the only sensible thing to do in Gomes's position was run with the ball. Regardless of whether Richarlison was already off (he was) you have to carry the ball yourself and draw people towards to you while Richarlison gets in a position to score. It wasn't even a good pass, it was straight into his feet when he had about 30 yards of space to put it into. It was absolutely awful all round.

But Richarlison is running into the exact space for him to run into.

Watch Antonio's run for Lingards goal yesterday, and how he takes the defender away by going the opposite way. Had he carried the ball he would have ran to exactly where Richarlison was, but slower.

I'm sorry, but as midfield player your 1st instinct is to put the forward in if he's running in behind. You take as a given to be able to time his run. That's a really basic skill for a striker. I am genuinely bewildered as to why Richarlison sprints into an offside position. If he just holds off for a split 2nd as the pass is being made, hes in. He still fluffed the chance, as he did without 5 others though.

It's probably quite clear, I'm a bit sick of him!

 

[Lanolin]

But Richarlison is running into the exact space for him to run into.

Watch Antonio's run for Lingards goal yesterday, and how he takes the defender away by going the opposite way. Had he carried the ball he would have ran to exactly where Richarlison was, but slower.

I'm sorry, but as midfield player your 1st instinct is to put the forward in if he's running in behind. You take as a given to be able to time his run. That's a really basic skill for a striker. I am genuinely bewildered as to why Richarlison sprints into an offside position. If he just holds off for a split 2nd as the pass is being made, hes in. He still fluffed the chance, as he did without 5 others though.

It's probably quite clear, I'm a bit sick of him!

I'm not saying Richarlison did everything right, but that doesn't mean Gomes did. Thats why I said 'awful all round'. Literally as soon as he passed it I thought 'he must be offside', and yet you're making out like it's asking too much for a professional footballer to notice the same thing. A very bizarre take.

 

[catcherintherye]

He wouldn’t have been caught because the other defender was following Richarlison?? Absolutely nothing you can say can convince me that passing to a player miles offside when you have acres to run into was the right thing to do.

It has nothing to do with not wanting to criticise Richarlison. In fact if you go and look in his thread and the match thread I’ve been more critical of him than most. You have an inability to criticise Gomes, you blow smoke up him whenever he has a game where he doesn’t give 48 passes away, but he is a dreadful ineffective player who will be nowhere near our side if we ever amount to anything decent.

But Richarlison runs to the exact area Gomes would run. He is just 10-15 yard ahead of him, so as Richarlison was almost caght, Gomes (or anyone else) would have been, wouldn't they?

I judge Gomes as with anyone else as objectively as I can. I've been critical, I thought he was awful in the derby for example. Yesterday though, for half an hour he should have had 2 assists if our strikers new how to finish and/or vaguely time a run. They all came from him pressing opponents, winning the ball back and putting it on a plate. I am not going to slaughter someone if they create 2 great opportunities in 30 minutes. Thats on the forwards.

Richarlison and Calvert Lewin let us down yesterday. Yes they have credit in the bank, but the defeat rests at their door.

Just to add, he wasn't miles offside either. He was marginally offside, probably half a yard. If he'd had just laid off the speed when Gomes went to pass it, he would have been easily onside.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

But Richarlison is running into the exact space for him to run into.

Watch Antonio's run for Lingards goal yesterday, and how he takes the defender away by going the opposite way. Had he carried the ball he would have ran to exactly where Richarlison was, but slower.

I'm sorry, but as midfield player your 1st instinct is to put the forward in if he's running in behind. You take as a given to be able to time his run. That's a really basic skill for a striker. I am genuinely bewildered as to why Richarlison sprints into an offside position. If he just holds off for a split 2nd as the pass is being made, hes in. He still fluffed the chance, as he did without 5 others though.

It's probably quite clear, I'm a bit sick of him!

You are sounding a little bit stupid .

like many keeping pointing out to you. Richarlison didn’t run into an offside position. He was already 2yards off when Gomes got the ball.

 

[catcherintherye]

I'm not saying Richarlison did everything right, but that doesn't mean Gomes did. Thats why I said 'awful all round'. Literally as soon as he passed it I thought 'he must be offside', and yet you're making out like it's asking too much for a professional footballer to notice the same thing. A very bizarre take.

Richarlison was about half a yard offside. That's with it being slowed down, and having an angle thats directly in line. While you get a feel for things I'm not sure as he looks down to make that pass he can be certain, when he's looking at the angle he is. I'd also say, if you're a midfield player, you will work to the assumption the forward knows how to time a run to avoid being offside. At elite level, they should be able to do that.

I watched it back, and all I got was why is Richarlison sprinting to make himself offside. And then why does he completely botch the chance?

 

[catcherintherye]

You are sounding a little bit stupid .

like many keeping pointing out to you. Richarlison didn’t run into an offside position. He was already 2yards off when Gomes got the ball.

I'll have to watch it back. He was 1/2 a yard offside when the pass was made, and he was going at full pelt.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

I'll have to watch it back. He was 1/2 a yard offside when the pass was made, and he was going at full pelt.

He was more than that. Because in real time I knew he was off, if it’s half a yard, you probably know it’s close. But not sure for definite.

Richarlison messed up the 2nd chance. Put the first was 100% on Gomes

 

[Lanolin]

Richarlison was about half a yard offside. That's with it being slowed down, and having an angle thats directly in line. While you get a feel for things I'm not sure as he looks down to make that pass he can be certain, when he's looking at the angle he is. I'd also say, if you're a midfield player, you will work to the assumption the forward knows how to time a run to avoid being offside. At elite level, they should be able to do that.

I watched it back, and all I got was why is Richarlison sprinting to make himself offside. And then why does he completely botch the chance?

Honestly you're talking absolute drivel at this point. You hate Richarlison, I get it, but you're just not making any sense here.

 

[Northeastblue]

Spot on. He just wanted to get rid of the ball as soon as it came to him, as he always does. He is an absolute shithouse, it’s embarrassing to watch.

You are an utter arsehole pal.

 

[catcherintherye]

Honestly you're talking absolute drivel at this point. You hate Richarlison, I get it, but you're just not making any sense here.

Just as a point of order, I don't hate Richarlison. There are very few of our players I hate and he's certainly not one. He's got a lot of credit in the bank with me. I thought he was really poor in his finishing yesterday though, and genuinely baffled why he sprinted into an offside position.

It happens though, all strikers have games where they miss chances. He keeps going, and works very hard for the team so you have to balance that out. I just felt that was a poor bit of play from him, but if others see it differently, then good for them.

 

[catcherintherye]

He was more than that. Because in real time I knew he was off, if it’s half a yard, you probably know it’s close. But not sure for definite.

Richarlison messed up the 2nd chance. Put the first was 100% on Gomes

Who wouldn't be sure, Gomes or Richarlison?

A key part of being a good forward is to be able to time your runs. He just went at full pelt into an offside position. I found that really odd. Not his night last night, but I'm sure he will come good.

 

[Lanolin]

Just as a point of order, I don't hate Richarlison. There are very few of our players I hate and he's certainly not one. He's got a lot of credit in the bank with me. I thought he was really poor in his finishing yesterday though, and genuinely baffled why he sprinted into an offside position.

It happens though, all strikers have games where they miss chances. He keeps going, and works very hard for the team so you have to balance that out. I just felt that was a poor bit of play from him, but if others see it differently, then good for them.

You just seem determined to make this all his fault, when quite clearly Gomes didn't do very well. You're making really bizarre excuses to make the whole thing Richarlison's fault which just makes it come across like you have a real dislike of him or a bit of a thing for Gomes. Honestly, saying that Gomes should ignore the evidence of his own eyes and believe that Richarlison is onside when he clearly isn't, just because you would expect him to be onside in that position, is one of the most breathtakingly one eyed summaries of a situation i've ever seen.