Alisher Usmanov

[roydo]

With the super wealthy like the City Sheikh, the Chelsea and Arsenal Russians I do not think their investment in football is profit driven.

Obviously, they are not in it to lose money, but they are already massively wealthy. We see estimates of their wealth, but they are only guesses with nothing firm to back it up.
The investments are as much about power and prestige as it is about profit.
I don't think normal business rules apply.

True that.

In Normal Land its the same as middle class folk on a non-descript executive housing estate making sure their car is as good as the neighbours.

 

[bluestevon]

Roman also has a self sufficient run club now,they don't rely on him for spending money on players anymore and spend within their own means which was with winning trophies was also his main objective when he bought the club,they will also have a 60K stamford bridge within 3 seasons time to boost turnover even more.

Amazingly Roman was a big supporter of FFP and him and Bruce Buck built the club post FFP into a pretty slick outfit with massive commercial revenues and a scouting network that targets the worlds best young players to sell on at profit that is a fantstic revenue stream to help with getting past FFP,Chelsea in 04 got lucky as they was no restrictions on spending and in the 00's outspent United RS Arsenal combined every summer.

Spending the GDP of Sudan every summer wily nily is dead,you have to bypass many stipulations of Turnover and most important wages to turnover below 60%,Usmanov will have a massive job of improving a turnover barely over a £100 million into a club in the £400 million Plus bracket that RS City Arsenal and Chelsea will be by the 17-18 season.

Abramovic supported FFP for a very good reason mate, Chelsea had put into place a model to capitilise on it being introduced - the host of young players they could farm on loans earning revenue and be sold for huge profits woudl ensure they could easily stay away from falling foul of it.

Like most smart men, he realised that once you get to the top it's good business sense to put in place rules which will stop anyone else climbing the same route you did, and in large part they did that, but the relaxation of FFP hurt Chelsea badly as it allowed others to spend more than they'd planned on and they kind of fell back into the pack of teams spending wise and arguably will stay there as Abramovic appears to have got a bit bored with the entire thing now as it's no longer his new shiny plaything.

Turnover is easily sorted if the owner is willing to throw money at it mate, most won't - but as the Arabs showed at City - it's doable if thats the objective - plus the FFP penalties now have become a bit of a joke, a fine for a team tryig to buy success for example

 

[orly]

With the super wealthy like the City Sheikh, the Chelsea and Arsenal Russians I do not think their investment in football is profit driven.

Obviously, they are not in it to lose money, but they are already massively wealthy. We see estimates of their wealth, but they are only guesses with nothing firm to back it up.
The investments are as much about power and prestige as it is about profit.
I don't think normal business rules apply.

Again, not convinced at all by this argument.

There is a strong school of thought that Abramovich was extremely keen to get his money out of the country at that time by any means. He's pumped vast amounts of cash in, sure - but if he sells tomorrow he'd recoup it easily. Or at least he'd lost a relatively slight churn for the flipside of having kept his dosh safe and clean. Power and prestige? He was a member of a state Duma. He was personal friends with Putin and Yeltsin. He has unimaginable power and influence - far more than being able to give Di Matteo the boot.

City? Fits in with their portfolio of Emirates promotion and rehabilitation of the state image abroad. It was also said that by buying the club, they helped an old political ally (Thaksin Shinawatra) out of a bit of liquidity bind.

These lads are not just boffing the dosh up the wall.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

That is the dream but what is he waiting for? And why didn't Moshiri keep the shares and Usmanov buy the shares.

Plus Usmanov is an arsenal fan

He's sent Moshiri in to sort the club out, he's his most trusted friend and colleague, there is no rush, the ball is rolling.

Why would Usmanov stay at Arsenal with no say and no chance of taking control, he is a a multi-billionaire who will want to be controlling his own club.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

Damned, looking stupid about being wrong on an internet forum. Don't know if I could live with that.

Just as good a reason as any to sit on the fench on this one. Can understand the reasoning why The Esk doesn't believe it will happen. At the same time a lot of stuff does point towards it happening. If it happens than no doubt it was the plan from the very beginning. Anyway, whatever happens, there's already clear evidence Everton is onto a winner in both scenario's.

 

[bluestevon]

That is the dream but what is he waiting for? And why didn't Moshiri keep the shares and Usmanov buy the shares.

Plus Usmanov is an arsenal fan

he's first and foremost a sports fan mate, then football, then Arsenal

Do you not find it strange that a 62 year old Uzbek who grew up during an era when there would be no showing of the english league on telly would have grown up an Arsenal fan, or think maybe it's more that it sounds a lot better when buying a club and attempting to gain control to say you are?

 

[Goat]

And an awful lot of posters looking daft when it doesn't? Works both ways buddy

You want it to be 1 way.

But it aint, its the other way.

 

[orly]

Damned, looking stupid about being wrong on an internet forum. Don't know if I could live with that.

Just as good a reason as any to sit on the fench on this one. Can understand the reasoning why The Esk doesn't believe it will happen. At the same time a lot of stuff does point towards it happening. If it happens than no doubt it was the plan from the very beginning. Anyway, whatever happens, there's already clear evidence Everton is onto a winner in both scenario's.

Exactly - as fans, we can't really lose. We either get what looks to be happening now - a move towards steady and sustained growth, or funding to end all funding and Messi on the back of our shirts.

 

[Jags..class]

If this was happening would Moshiri have sold Stones?

 

[Rico Toffee]

Was the post from Arseblog piece triggered by any actual new information or reporting? They didn't seem to indicate that. They simply referred to "speculation" which sounds a lot like the previous speculation that was going around right after Moshiri was announced. I think the entire Arsenal fanbase is feeling angsty at the moment more than anything due to their lack of transfers. But this all feels a bit 2+2=4 to me.

 

[russiandog]

he's first and foremost a sports fan mate, then football, then Arsenal

Do you not find it strange that a 62 year old Uzbek who grew up during an era when there would be no showing of the english league on telly would have grown up an Arsenal fan, or think maybe it's more that it sounds a lot better when buying a club and attempting to gain control to say you are?

Deffo mate Uzbekistan is redshite catchment

 

[Goat]

I see a lot of people without fear of the vaults.

You people will fear the vaults.

Oh yes you will.

 

[The Mighty Quint]

Probably the best Everton ITK on the net said this months ago.

"The russian from arsenal .will have full control of everton by Xmas. Million per cent happening".

Now a respected Arsenal blog has got wind something is a foot.

Keep burying your heads in the sand boys, we've waited and waited, our time is coming again.

 

[russiandog]

If this was happening would Moshiri have sold Stones?

Yeah because City have over paid for a player that isn't that good yet.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

If this was happening would Moshiri have sold Stones?

The STCC issues would stay the same, no matter who our owner would be and how wealthy. That for me is the only reason we didn't already sell Stones last summer.