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[Runub]

Seems even the bookies, who by common consensus tend to be accurate in these matters, have us down as second favourites to go down next season.

I just checked that and you are correct. We are the same price as Ipswich to go down. That is nonsense. We will 100% finish way in front of Ipswich. Unless we get hit with more points deductions we aren’t going down next season

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

But, ironically, we are more well known as a football club than was the case 35 years ago when we were the best team in Europe. How so? Simply because we are a permanent fixture in the richest, most watched league in the world. Football is exponentially more popular as a sport than in the 80's and is followed in countries who had no interest in the sport at that time. Everton FC is more famous around the world than it has ever been. That is an undisputed fact

As regards raising the club's profile for sponsorship and generating more match day income and non match day income, isn't that the very reason we are moving to a world class stadium?

Sponsors and advertisers pay more to be associated with success .
The same reason ‘global fans ‘ will mostly buy the shirts etc. of successful clubs.
What is our profile ?
A mid table club that clings onto its longstanding presence in the top league by its fingertips?
Ironically we are too big to be considered an underdog.
What is our USP?
The stadium may raise our profile for a few months but unless we improve the football and begin challenging for trophies that will soon fade.
We need success to breed success, without that we will continue to plough the same nondescript mid table furrow until one day our luck runs out.
That is if we survive the current crisis and that’s far from certain at the moment.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

I just checked that and you are correct. We are the same price as Ipswich to go down. That is nonsense. We will 100% finish way in front of Ipswich. Unless we get hit with more points deductions we aren’t going down next season

We already know we are having to trade down this close season.
At the moment many people feel that will be damaging to us and are betting that our league position will suffer as a result . The odds are what they are because punters are betting that way.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Sponsors and advertisers pay more to be associated with success .
The same reason ‘global fans ‘ will mostly buy the shirts etc. of successful clubs.
What is our profile ?
A mid table club that clings onto its longstanding presence in the top league by its fingertips?
Ironically we are too big to be considered an underdog.
What is our USP?
The stadium may raise our profile for a few months but unless we improve the football and begin challenging for trophies that will soon fade.
We need success to breed success, without that we will continue to plough the same nondescript mid table furrow until one day our luck runs out.
That is if we survive the current crisis and that’s far from certain at the moment.

Yeah, you need to at least show some regular form of challenge/threat. Spurs have not won sod all for ages but since the Poch days they have offered a threat each season. That gained them a new stadium and better league finishes which attracts the better sponsors which results in the bigger turnover. We need (longer term) to be lookin at having regular top 10 finishes when we get into BMD to make the most of it.

 

[matty1878]

We already know we are having to trade down this close season.
At the moment many people feel that will be damaging to us and are betting that our league position will suffer as a result . The odds are what they are because punters are betting that way.

i’m sick of thinking we’re guna struggle again

we need a clean slate

 

[MikeH72]

We already know we are having to trade down this close season.
At the moment many people feel that will be damaging to us and are betting that our league position will suffer as a result . The odds are what they are because punters are betting that way.

We got 48 points this season meaning that we’re currently a mid table side. If we weaken the squad and achieve 10 less points next season, then we’ll probably still stay up.

 

[Librarian]

Because the third of the promoted clubs has yet to be determined and they assume more points deductions for us.

And a lot of people, some of our own, are banging the administration drum, and most punters don’t think all that hard about what’s actually going on so that’s enough for them to see only doom

 

[summerisle]

 

[indieman1]

Think we might have missed the boat tbh, who wants to buy a Prem club now?

The team in 6th spent a billion on players, the team in 7th is the richest club in football and the team in 8th are probably the most valuable club in the world.

The competition is crazy.

This and the ever growing debt is basically why I'm doubtful anyone especially credible is likely to hove into view any time soon.

There is definitely a potentially profitable club lurking somewhere under the rubble, the problem is that potentially profitable club isn't likely to be sufficiently profitable to cover the debts accrued without occasional success and regular european football.........and there are sadly now at least 8 or 9 clubs that are already significantly better placed and resourced to be climbing that greasy pole than even a profitable and sustainable version of us at BMD over the next 3 or so years.

We just have to hope the wealthy blues working in the background can cobble together enough funding to at least give it a go.

 

[Bob Latchford]

Good god what an absolute shambles.

It’s terrifying to think we might have worse to come. Let’s hope not.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

We got 48 points this season meaning that we’re currently a mid table side. If we weaken the squad and achieve 10 less points next season, then we’ll probably still stay up.

But punters judgement will hinge on the ‘probably’ and figure it worth a few quid at present, which is why the odds shorten.
Betting odds just reflect betting patterns, they arent predictive.

 

[Quadvod]

We haven’t done anything of note for nearly 30 years.
To a neutral we are a mid table no mark club.
We do not generate enough money to maintain even our humble mid table existence.
And for long periods we have played football no one would choose to watch .
Our shirts sell only to committed supporters, we don’t command top dollar from sponsors or advertisers, our commercial appeal is rock bottom.
Ultimately football is an entertainment business and if you don’t entertain then you have have no business.

All of that is true but you’d have likely said the same about villa circa 2016 - they’ve taken a rather bumpy route to get where they are now - nearly ending up in administration themselves but look like they’ve just negotiated an impressive £20m deal with adidas and projected turnover over £300m for next season. They’re not going be winning any big trophies anytime soon but I don’t see why we can’t aspire to catch up to them and at least threaten the teams near the top (assuming we can find a viable long term funding solution to the stadium).

 

[Librarian]

This and the ever growing debt is basically why I'm doubtful anyone especially credible is likely to hove into view any time soon.

There is definitely a potentially profitable club lurking somewhere under the rubble, the problem is that potentially profitable club isn't likely to be sufficiently profitable to cover the debts accrued without occasional success and regular european football.........and there are sadly now at least 8 or 9 clubs that are already significantly better placed and resourced to be climbing that greasy pole than even a profitable and sustainable version of us at BMD over the next 3 or so years.

We just have to hope the wealthy blues working in the background can cobble together enough funding to at least give it a go.

Spurs rolled up all their short term stadium debt into a long term mortgage afterwards, that can be done here

 

[davek]

And a lot of people, some of our own, are banging the administration drum, and most punters don’t think all that hard about what’s actually going on so that’s enough for them to see only doom

By the way, those odds as far as I can see are from one bookmakers.

 

[Runub]

God this is depressing. Are we stuck in this holding pattern until end May? Then enter another never ending search for new buyers