27 years campaign

[strummer]

In my part of the street end it was definitely the case . mass exodus down the stairs of grown men crying and kicking chairs as they went down , most not coming back up .I sit next to the exit so I know what I saw.

People went for a pee or a pint when we went 2 down.this is pretty normal. I didn't see loads of empty seats in the 2nd half

 

[davek]

Not answering the question about the chanting, sound, you keep doing you mate.

Take some of your points, especially on trying to get the message out to the supporters (which I thought had been done quite effectively if people chose to listen) and a proper clear out at boardroom level and of the coaching and scouting old boys network.

Whatever is planned next, something similar or completely different, I hope that the sitters/non-protesters don't target those wanting to affect change, like they have this time - its uncalled for and frankly bizarre.

You've got a strange attitude to winning over fans you need to make what you're trying to achieve a reality.

You cant keep scolding fans for being fans. If they turned on you then you have to ask why.

That protest needed to be outside the ground or in-seat in the ground, not disruptive to the team's efforts.

And you need a clear and supportable single aim: wanting to protect the investment of the man who who's causing all the problems is clueless as a cause. It's contradictory and the core message is confusing people.

Either you're against this man's ownership or not. All roads lead to him.

 

[NathDogg]

Goodison was its usual timid, quiet, nervous self with the quiet fans not really doing anything of note - right up until the 27th min when they became ultras for 40 seconds.

The narrative that they were supporting the team needs putting to bed, they were categorically not - the vast majority were targeting the protesters.

This act will be taken as an endorsement of Moshiri and the board, regardless of what some are saying - it can't be spun any other way.

 

[davek]

Goodison was its usual timid, quiet, nervous self with the quiet fans not really doing anything of note - right up until the 27th min when they became ultras for 40 seconds.

The narrative that they were supporting the team needs putting to bed, they were categorically not - the vast majority were targeting the protesters.

This act will be taken as an endorsement of Moshiri and the board, regardless of what some are saying - it can't be spun any other way.

So what does that tell you?

It tells me you have not connected with the mood of the fans and need to rethink this.

 

[NathDogg]

You've got a strange attitude to winning over fans you need to make what you're trying to achieve a reality.

You cant keep scolding fans for being fans. If they turned on you then you have to ask why.

That protest needed to be outside the ground or in-seat in the ground, not disruptive to the team's efforts.

And you need a clear and supportable single aim: wanting to protect the investment of the man who who's causing all the problems is clueless as a cause. It's contradictory and the core message is confusing people.

Either you're against this man's ownership or not. All roads lead to him.

I'm not trying to win anyone over mate, if people don't want to join the protest I respect their wishes, without resorting to any name calling, vitriol or bile.

Im just telling you what happened last night, no matter how much some of you try and spin it as something else - it wasn't what you and others are saying it was.

We are all evertonians at the end of the day, we should all be together whatever was happening, protesters or non-protesters - that didn't happen.

 

[NathDogg]

So what does that tell you?

It tells me you have not connected with the mood of the fans and need to rethink this.

So no you agree with me that the protesters were targeted by the chanting and it wasn't just supporting the team?!

Go back to hanging out of Benitezs hoop mate, it suits you.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Goodison was its usual timid, quiet, nervous self with the quiet fans not really doing anything of note - right up until the 27th min when they became ultras for 40 seconds.

The narrative that they were supporting the team needs putting to bed, they were categorically not - the vast majority were targeting the protesters.

This act will be taken as an endorsement of Moshiri and the board, regardless of what some are saying - it can't be spun any other way.

Its a tough one as I'm anti board/Kenwright but I ultimately back Moshiri still.

After living under Kenwrongs age of austerity I cant turn on a fella who whilst clueless has tried his best and put his money where his mouth is - there are many owners out there who just sit on clubs like assets and invest the bare minimum - Farhad isn't that.

I suspect many supporters will feel like me which is what will go against any future protests.

 

[WilliamPerry]

People went for a pee or a pint when we went 2 down.this is pretty normal. I didn't see loads of empty seats in the 2nd half

they all must of went down to hold each others peckers then

 

[NathDogg]

Its a tough one as I'm anti board/Kenwrong but I ultimately back Moshiri still.

After living under Kenwrongs age of austerity I cant turn on a fella who whilst clueless has tried his best and put his money where his mouth is - there are many owners out there who just sit on clubs like assets and invest the bare minimum - Farhad isn't that like.

I suspect many supporters will feel like me which is what will go against any future protests.

That's sound mate, no problem with that and supporters feeling that way, I understand it to a degree.

What I don't get is the hate and vitriol from most of those same suppoeters, against those of us who wanted to shine a light on what we have become as a club.

Just weird to increase the volume and direct it at protesters, if they were just supporting the lads on the pitch - they will be back to not chanting, not singing, moaning and booing if results don't go our way again in future, wondering why nothing ever changes.

Like I said earlier, I'm a big boy, if it takes me and a few others getting up out of our seats early to wake these people up and get any kind of reaction from them that definitely isn't there every week, which theb positively helps the team, then I'll kee doing it.

 

[davek]

So no you agree with me that the protesters were targeted by the chanting and it wasn't just supporting the team?!

Go back to hanging out of Benitezs hoop mate, it suits you.

I'm accepting your version of events and asking you to reflect on what the reaction of the vast majority to the protest tells us about the strategy adopted.

We defo need people holding the hierarchy of this club to account, and we need Moshiri to be forced out of making football decisions (something, BTW more likely under Benitez) and we should be preparing for the moment the stadium is built so that we can get this feller out after he's served his purposes.

But everything that the 27 minute people have done has been hamfisted: the message, the tactics and now the reaction against the very people they need to persuade to stand by their side.

It's been a calamity. The group need a name change and a set of relatable, supportable and achievable policies.

 

[Tubey]

You've got a strange attitude to winning over fans you need to make what you're trying to achieve a reality.

You cant keep scolding fans for being fans. If they turned on you then you have to ask why.

That protest needed to be outside the ground or in-seat in the ground, not disruptive to the team's efforts.

And you need a clear and supportable single aim: wanting to protect the investment of the man who who's causing all the problems is clueless as a cause. It's contradictory and the core message is confusing people.

Either you're against this man's ownership or not. All roads lead to him.

That's where I'm at and why I was against it.

A minutes silence would have been better, but then again Goodison is a morgue so often people might not have noticed.

 

[davek]

That's where I'm at and why I was against it.

A minutes silence would have been better, but then again Goodison is a morgue so often people might not have noticed.

It's disingenuous to state that a protest outside the ground wouldn't receive media attention too.

Of course it would have. That's just baloney.

 

[WilliamPerry]

cowards

 

[NathDogg]

cowards

Disgusting, but I was disgusted last night tbh near me.

Didn't see any of that aimed at women specifically, but myself and a few others who left got enough stick, so I can definitely believe it.

I'm Sick of other people telling me the fans were just supporting the team when its blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes and ears that they were not.

 

[WilliamPerry]

Disgusting, but I was disgusted last night tbh near me.

Didn't see any of that women specifically, but myself and a few other who left got enough stick, so I can believe it.

I'm Sick of other people telling me the fans were just supporting the team when its blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes and ears that they were not.

a lot of people who stayed have disgraced themselves with the abuse to be honest. Including online