2015 post UK election discussion

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Adversus said:
Statistically women overall earn more than men up to the age of 40 from the Office of National Statistics.

Why do you think it is?

Because men are simply sexist towards older women and not younger women?

Of maybe just maybe if there is sexism they might be sexist towards both except younger woman get advantages while older women are disadvantages. Or perhaps it is simply because they choose to have kids.

But I would like to know what you think?
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I reckon you lied about no girl cheating on you, that's why you hate women for breaking your heart.

Anyway, you never answered my question regarding faux Irish. Were you born in Éire?
 
How would you deal with the rise of UKIPs popularity in traditional Labour strongholds whilst pandering to the marginal Con/Lab voters? Throw in the lost Labour voters in Scotland and you've got one massive and almost impossible task which the new leader will have to tackle.
 
Adversus said:
How is that the same as benefits and if you think it is it's exactly what is wrong with left thinking people.
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How is it not the same? It costs the treasury and therefore the tax payer. If there is someone getting tax relief of tens of thousands of pounds of pension each year then their savings are being subsidised by you and me. I personally would rather the country invested in young people to keep the country running in my old age rather than helping rich people get richer.

The difference being that child benefit is £20/week and essential for some people.

Still waiting for my apology btw.
 
Adversus said:
Statistically women overall earn more than men up to the age of 40 from the Office of National Statistics.

Why do you think it is?

Because men are simply sexist towards older women and not younger women?

Of maybe just maybe if there is sexism they might be sexist towards both except younger woman get advantages while older women are disadvantages. Or perhaps it is simply because they choose to have kids.

But I would like to know what you think?
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Interestingly young women actually out earn young men.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/02/24/childless-women-in-their-twenties-out-earn-men-so/
 
Adversus said:
I agree but if New Labour are no different than the Tories what's the point. Would it not be better to wait long enough for everyone to hate the Tories and then get old Labour into power.
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I'm starting to think that the old Labour ideals are finished in this country. Fighting elections based on class war, even of a whiff of it, is never going to get you elected in this day and age.

No matter how sick of the Tories people may get, they will still have the support of the business class and enough of the middle class who don't like the rhetoric coming from any Labour party campaigning on old Labour style policies.

It does sadden me to say this, because I think Labour were a great political party in the pre-Thatcher days, but the political landscape changed so much during the 1980s.

I think Labour need to modernise to ensure they are still a credible alternative to the Tories, but they can't go back to the old Labour ideology because it will ruin them. It's almost similar to how the first World War exacerbated the demise of the Liberal party and how class politics come to the forefront. The Liberals didn't go far enough in modernizing, because their fundamental belief was Laissez Faire. Similarly, class politics is losing its relevance and Labour's raison d'etre is becoming irrelevant.
 
chewee said:
How would you deal with the rise of UKIPs popularity in traditional Labour strongholds whilst pandering to the marginal Con/Lab voters? Throw in the lost Labour voters in Scotland and you've got one massive and almost impossible task which the new leader will have to tackle.
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Depends if we leave the EU really.
 
the esk said:
But Pete, the Tories would never have invested the sums that Blair did in education, health and social services - you can't claim they were Tory-light when it suits your argument but then also argue they screwed the economy, pensions and every other claim you've made in the last 6 weeks.
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New Labour was so good they could do both.
 
97% of combat deaths and casualties since the 1st Gulf War are men - what we need is greater equality. Let's see more women killed and injured in war. That'll sort it.
 
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