2015 post UK election discussion

[neil999]

Ok lets do the Math if someone earning 80k whose wife doesn't work.

After tax his take home is probably 50k.
Mortgage -24k
Car payments -6k
School payments -10k?
Credit cards and tuition fees -2k

So before food heating etc for whole family that leaves 8k. Yea they're rolling in it.

lol yeah they HAVE to have private schooling ffs

 

[daylightrobber]

But these jobs are utterly pointless if all the wages are being topped up by tax credits and housing benefit.

Which effectively means that the state are helping Ashley to get richer whilst he exploits the poor. That's Tory government for you.

 

[marty mcfly]

But these jobs are utterly pointless if all the wages are being topped up by tax credits and housing benefit.

Basically we all top up Ashley's poverty paying wages whilst he makes excellent profits every year. Tell me how that is remotely fair?

You sound like a libertarian like me

 

[marty mcfly]

lol yeah they HAVE to have private schooling ffs

I added pensions into that as well but yea do you not think they want their kids to have a good education for all the work and stress they do.

 

[neil999]

I added pensions into that as well but yea do you not think they want their kids to have a good education for all the work and stress they do.

lol most people cant even think about having private education, your clueless

 

[dannyboy]

You sound like a libertarian like me

Never known a right wing Libertarian to advocate the living wage.

 

[The Equaliser]

Ok lets do the Math if someone earning 80k whose wife doesn't work.

After tax his take home is probably 50k.
Mortgage -24k
Car payments -6k
School payments / pension -10k?
Credit cards and tuition fees -2k

So before food heating etc for whole family that leaves 8k. Yea they're rolling in it.

How much is his house worth if he is paying £2k a month mortgage on it ?

Sell the fecking thing and size down like the rest of us have to.

 

[dannyboy]

I added pensions into that as well but yea do you not think they want their kids to have a good education for all the work and stress they do.

Yeah, the stress of their lives is so much more than your average worker...

 

[Jib in lad]

I've read up on Dan Jarvis and he has an extremely impressive CV and could reach out to a lot more more people than Burnham. Will the Unions give him their block votes though? I'm not sure.

Jarvis would be my choice he is not tainted by the last Labour government so it would be hard for the Tories and the gutter press to throw muck at him plus his background is impressive.

 

[evilwebby]

I think 50% to 60% is fair, especially if that money helps take families out of poverty. Scandanavian countries have some of the highest tax in the world yet they seem to function fine.

A lot of wealth creators don't create wealth, they just have the miserly wages they pay topped up by the tax payer. Take Sports Direct and Mike Ashley for example.

I don't want to live in a world where the chasm between poor and rich continues to grow. No society can be built on these foundations. There needs to be a fairer, more equal alternative. You cannot possibly think a system which relies on good banks to feed children is the best on offer?

Do YOU pay 60% tax?
Why is it only fair if it's only levied on someone earning someone more than you, then?
When you get to keep less of what you make than what is taken from you, is your life still yours? They have a word for that - slavery.

> I don't want to live in a world where the chasm between poor and rich continues to grow. No society can be built on these foundations. There needs to be a fairer, more equal alternative. You cannot possibly think a system which relies on good banks to feed children is the best on offer?

Inequality is natural. This may sound hard to believe, but I do want the people at the bottom to improve their lives in absolute terms as much as their talent and hard work allows them. I am not concerned with the perceived amount of inequality - am I better off if I have 1 cow and my neighbour has 10 cow, or am I better off if I have 2 cows and my neighbour has 500 cows? Obviously I am better off with 2 cows.

Now, having said that, I do agree that our system disproportionally over rewards those at the very top, but that is a consequence of things like bank bailouts, rescue schemes and other what we call "moral hazards" - ie intervention that does not lett the the market run its natural course. But I believe that, rather than redistribution which only serves to band-aid over the probem, it would be better to change the system - make sure that the same rules are applied at both the very top and the very bottom of society. In such a society, what I call a "free society", inequality will be what it will be.

 

[Tubey]

Ok lets do the Math if someone earning 80k whose wife doesn't work.

After tax his take home is probably 50k.
Mortgage -24k
Car payments -6k
School payments / pension -10k?
Credit cards and tuition fees -2k

So before food heating etc for whole family that leaves 8k. Yea they're rolling in it.

Hahaha this is the funniest post in here so far!

My advice to them would be "stop being bloody insane with money" basically!!

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

We don't feel the need to shout our opinion from every rooftop and seek affirmation from other like-minded individuals; we're completely at peace with our decisions.

Which worded differently equates to : we couldn't give a flying about anyone else or how our decisions may have a negative impact on them, cos we're alright so why should we.
If you care to visit a medium in the next week or so she'll tell you that there's a Lady in blue with hugely coiffured hair nodding at you approvingly.
That sentence alone is Thatcherism right there.

As far as kids go, there are families out there bringing up two or three kids on sub-£20k.

there certainly are but those that have no idea would claim that we are dragging them up and should never have had them in the 1st place

80k a year is Middle class? ARE YOU SURE?

tuition fees, what planet are you on?

See that's the thing, Mr I've got a job Title and never get my hands dirty and earn x amount actually thinks that makes him middle class, I hear it here around me cos they live in a 4 bed detached house.... it's on an estate ffs !!!
For some strange reason a generation seem to think they have climbed the social ladder because hubby earns an amount and is the supervisor and they go to the annual village ball.... well it was more of a rural village with a better social standing before you blerts moved here turning it into an overspill ffs. I hear folk say it and say "but you tell me you grew up in a council house" (nothing wrong with that btw) so really they just have delusions of grandeur but look down on others now that they're doing alright.
Thinking that earning 80k makes you middle class is as ridiculous as that bird that said to John Prescott that she's middle class, single mother in a tip of a flat "well I dont work so I cant be working class, so I must be middle class."

 

[marty mcfly]

Never known a right wing Libertarian to advocate the living wage.

I'm a libertarian and yes ideologically your right but that's the reason you shouldn't be an ideologue.

I believe in the living wage.

 

[Toffeelover]

HS2 seems a ridiculous waste of money, it only reduces the train time by 15 minutes or something ridiculous. Trident on the other hand, can be justified, to be honest I think our army in general needs more funding. I think we should be meeting the Nato 2% spending target.

AS regards HS2 yes it can be seen to be OTT but think there would be a track laid down for faster trains in the future, add to that like putting a link into Liverpool and investing in a fast trans Pennine transport system there can be benefits which justify the outlay only time would tell. In addition it is not that the total cost has to be found immediately but probably over 10 to 15 years.

On the subject of Trident to me it is justified but not merely about having the deterrent, the number of jobs connected to this ina very poor region to shut it down would plunge the area into catastrophe. The Country would also lose all the skills and technology associated with a system like that if it were shut down. Just like we do not have the skills etc to build a new nuclear plant now but have to turn to the French!

 

[marty mcfly]

Hahaha this is the funniest post in here so far!

My advice to them would be "stop being bloody insane with money" basically!!

What part of that is insane?