Raino85
Player Valuation: £40m
I don't think managers or coaches look at age as much as fans do.
There are several scenario's were the top top managers have been known to go for both elder palyers or young players.
There are several scenario's were the top top managers have been known to go for both elder palyers or young players.
Raino85
Player Valuation: £40m
Not a single one of the wide forwards on our books last season aged between 18 & 21 in Jack Harrison's position will play at the same level Jack Harrison has
Raino85
Player Valuation: £40m
I like it when a young keeper ends up playing for the dog & duck, its abit different with young goalkeeper loans, in theory, game time is game time. You are there to stop goals, so the level should not be as big a difference (obviously quality of shots/crosses etc)
Sam Tickle (Wigan keeper) spent a year at Pilkington when he was 17
Pickford played in the conference at 18
Raino85
Player Valuation: £40m
I think its a few things with all the nepo babies developing
- Nepotism- They have a path into an academy, usually through parents pulling a string or 2
- Familiarity - The kids from a very young age see what there father is doing, and see it is possible (its amazing how little this is seen as a factor but its a huge one), kicking balls at very young age, getting into organized football at that age, and when that little bit older training regimes
- Cash- If the father was a PL footballer in the 00's/10s, they will have plenty of money, this gives them access to so much more, home gym, even a full size pitch in the garden, even an indoor training facility, neuration, cash also keeps them off the streets
The obvious exception is South London.
I don't watch that drivel ....
With out seeing them the ones out on loan we will never know - the great Colin Harvey would never have broke through under this system - I am on about the layout of not enough games regional teams - the squad numbers - i.e. if they are really good, but not named in the squad they cant play -
Plus we sold a top class left back for a £million to Wigan who would now walk into our team & is holding a permanent place with Fulham he was only a USA international when we sold him!
Plus over the park they have a full back & a midfielder who get games under 21 years old - so IMO we are doing things wrong at youth level - the system does not help, but in the boring Walter Smith days I followed a non league club - I was amazed at the standard of play I watched Barry Hales who made the Prem - & a few others that made the football league in fact some teams our now in our football league ...
I knew in our friendly v Coventry away last season under Dyche we were looking at big trouble when Coventry City outclassed us in a friendly away - even when their youngsters came on we never took control -
DM saved us & I was hesitant on his appointment as I always think you should never go back - but Dyche had lost the plot that much -
The lower leagues are much harder to play in too - no protection from referee's - so send a good prospect too low down in the league set up is a hard task a few have been injured vey badly -
I loved watching EFC youth when I was a young kid I know times have changed we had a youth team an A&B team a reserve team & a first team & foreign players were first used by Bobby Robson which has now changed the game completely I understand all that - but players are out there look at Harry Kane ! I know he did go out on loan for a short period - We have had Jack Rodwell & Wayne Rooney under the coaching of a certain Colin Harvey -
Leon Osman was at Derby only media praise made DM get him back - I am just pointing out our system is broken the Ashley Young signing proved that !
Raino85
Player Valuation: £40m
I think you got lost a little in your argument there pal.
But just a couple of things
- Emiliano Lawrence & Ishe Samuels Smith would of made appearances in the first team now if they hadn't been recruited by the Chelsea & Man City player farms
- Lewis Dobbin might of been that option instead of Jack Harrison....but we managed to get £10m FFP money for Dobbin, so we went with the cheap loan choice instead
- We made £40m from Anthony Gordon only 2 1/2 seasons ago (another for Harrisons position)
- Harrison Armstrong had a really strong loan at Derby and will eventually be a first team regular
Around £70m made in sales.
Someone like Stanley Mills, again in Harrisons position hasn't pulled up any trees moving elsewhere, either hasa Thierry Small...........is that because they wern't given an opportunity
My argument over the park they don't just have half a season - they will make the grade ....
Plus we are producing them to sell on i a poor point also ... that was our inefficient board at the time our new Board who have stopped Brathwaite going exactly the same way ..... so Harrison or Gordon ?
Raino85
Player Valuation: £40m
I've got no idea what you are talking about
….in demand players leave when they want to leave. The Board didn’t stop Branthwaite going, he could’ve gone but he was happy to stay and sign a new deal.
Whether they are young or whether they are old, the bonus is our best players choosing to stay; Gueye and Branthwaite,
pfim
Player Valuation: £40m
We don't need to know though...the managers and staff need to know, and they see these players play and train all of the time. Neither manager or the staff thought there was a better option than Lindstrom or Harrison.
In some ways that's sad, as you state, but it was the state of affairs. Hopefully we'll turn the tides with the youth squads and start churning out more (and keeping more) academy talent.
This isn't true by the way. U21 players don't count towards the squad limit so we can play whichever of the young players we like. There's a good reason that we don't though, they haven't been good enough.
EFC_FRANCIS
Player Valuation: £35m
Wouldn't hate it but whether they go down that route is another thing. Henderson also spent time in conference North.
Yep it's not necessarily a bad thing. The habits they pick up from family are almost as valuable as the training. Then you've got the athletes genes if you believe in such a thing, it's remarkable how many siblings are in the academies, that's been a thing for a good while
….you keep on saying this, but I absolutely guarantee the great Colin Harvey would’ve broken through in any era, it’s a bit like saying Rooney would be held back.
Make no mistake, I was very much connected to Bellefield back when Moyes and everybody knew what an exceptional talent Osman was. He got a serious injury at a key stage in his development (a bit like Barkley) which held him up but he was always going to come through.
Dyche obviously knew the talent Armstrong had, given him his debut at 17. He didn’t look ready so was sent on loan. The very best will come through in any era, there’s very few who fail to make it here that make it elsewhere.
No @Eggs you are incorrect - the system now which our club have to adapt is wrong playing just local teams in regions etc - I gave a detailed a fair view -
Osman had a boot problem one leg higher than the other read his book - the club eventually made special boots for him - Derby county fans wee telephoning in 606 saying were EFC mad to let him go on loan - plus Kenwright was a very poor chairman & that's being polite -
No way we would have held on to Braithwaite in his era !
You don't explain why we sold our left back Robinson ?
He would walk into our left back position - Its ok for you to point out the obvious urm mostly trained by CH ... & sold ....
Also the team over the park get fantastic money or keep the best 99% we just don't or cant do it signing a right back 38 years old FGS he was mediocre to say the least - Dykes mate - how many clubs did we have to battle him for = NIL
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