Does the status quo need a shake up?

[chrismpw]

Labour is lost to me, I don't think I could ever vote for them again. I'd like to see a party that makes strong convincing arguments for the distribution of wealth.

Westminster does not allow much for minor parties, but a high profile alternative left might win a couple of seats. They might do alright up against Reform. Sultana may have the competence that Corbyn sadly lacks, but the media will try and destroy them both.

I'd like to see more parties and a constitutional change which allows more for coalitions. What we've got is [Poor language removed] and doesn't work.

Get rid of whips, party leaders .... have representatives elected from and established in your area (not just assigned from outside). They show their qualifications and, effectively are interviewed by the electorate before voting.

Then the elected ones assemble, debate policy and vote according to their conscience. That'd be my system.

 

[bicycleheader]

To me, Corbyn isn't extreme left at all - he's just left in a society that has drifted very lright, if you know what I mean. I was using extreme in the context of what is currently "accepted" as left by the media.

And there lies the problem - sadly Corbyn will never get anything other than hostile coverage from the media and because of that he's unelectable - all he can do is split the vote that stops the parties of greed and selfishness getting in.

Honestly, I'd prefer Corbyn to be in power now, than tory-light Starmer ... but it'd never happen in a society conditioned what to think by billionaire owned media terrified that their wealth might be better redistributed.

That they will be given completely disproportionate and majority negative coverage by the media, I completely agree. If they move ahead with a new party that is. Also that it may help Reform to get in.

But is the plan accept what Labour is now and that's that, or is there a path to changing it again now they are parroting the usual crap about immigrants that you hear from the others. As I don't see it, so as unsuccessful it may or may not be, I just think it makes sense that some people see it as their only option. (Their least bad option, to use your phrase)

 

[Andyramone]

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Favourite thread title of the day, not even messing.

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Early stuff was good

 

[scratchnsurf]

To me, this is just shuffling the pack whilst the game remains unchanged.

There won't be any significant change whilst the electoral system and the role of the civil service remain as they are.

 

[datblygu]

Get rid of whips, party leaders .... have representatives elected from and established in your area (not just assigned from outside). They show their qualifications and, effectively are interviewed by the electorate before voting.

Then the elected ones assemble, debate policy and vote according to their conscience. That'd be my system.

Yep, we should have an elected second house, a multi-party system and a written constitution, so we don't get major constitutional change based on a single advisory referendum (e.g. Brexit). England should have its own parliament.

 

[bicycleheader]

To me, this is just shuffling the pack whilst the game remains unchanged.

There won't be any significant change whilst the electoral system and the role of the civil service remain as they are.

Yes I'd agree

But in a period where so much horrible crap is happening in the world, and so few senior leaders actually speak out about it it's important that the people who do take some action, whether it's throwing a pebble at a tank or not, continue to do so and get supported.

Too much focus on why it's all so dumb and futile, or why it's not exactly the action or change some people agree with

Without some kind of foothold where does any change come from?

Just thinking aloud really. Probably shouldn't be starting the day with doom and gloom like this

 

[scratchnsurf]

Yes I'd agree

But in a period where so much horrible crap is happening in the world, and so few senior leaders actually speak out about it it's important that the people who do take some action, whether it's throwing a pebble at a tank or not, continue to do so and get supported.

Too much focus on why it's all so dumb and futile, or why it's not exactly the action or change some people agree with

Without some kind of foothold where does any change come from?

Just thinking aloud really. Probably shouldn't be starting the day with doom and gloom like this

Cup of tea and a choccy biscuit will set you right.

 

[bicycleheader]

Cup of tea and a choccy biscuit will set you right.

Just eating a twix with a cuppa right now actually

 

[The Binman]

I doubt this thread will last long, but it's time to put the fascists in the bin.

I liked marguerite time… that was good.. thought rockin all over the world was overrated though!

 

[summerisle]

Get rid of whips, party leaders .... have representatives elected from and established in your area (not just assigned from outside). They show their qualifications and, effectively are interviewed by the electorate before voting.

Then the elected ones assemble, debate policy and vote according to their conscience. That'd be my system.

Yes Prime Minister did an excellent episode on that - a flavour :

 

[Xizor]

founding of a new party?

someone let old lemon-chops know...

 

[Thomasc]

I’ve given up

I actually hope that the Reform scum bags get in at the next GE and make the people who support them suffer for the rest of their miserable existence.

Poetic justice.

Country is past repair after 14 years of Tory ownership, the mainstream spread of social media and the rise of the far right in mainstream politics.

Ignorance is bliss apparently so I’m trying that.

 

[Xizor]

I actually hope that the Reform scum bags get in at the next GE and make the people who support them suffer for the rest of their miserable existence.

Poetic justice.

I get the sentiment... but you have to realise that some of us have got smokin' hot, extremely flexible & open minded foreign wives, and a Reform government that starts talking about "remigration" threatens to take that away and lumber us with the sort of partners who'd play Sid James' headache-addle bedridden wife in a pre-Political Correctness Carry On movie.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I get the sentiment... but you have to realise that some of us have got smokin' hot, extremely flexible & open minded foreign wives, and a Reform government that starts talking about "remigration" threatens to take that away and lumber us with the sort of partners who'd play Sid James' headache-addle bedridden wife in a pre-Political Correctness Carry On movie.

have a 6 month holiday, reform last about 3 months, and when the burning has stopped come back.

 

[Thomasc]

I get the sentiment... but you have to realise that some of us have got smokin' hot, extremely flexible & open minded foreign wives, and a Reform government that starts talking about "remigration" threatens to take that away and lumber us with the sort of partners who'd play Sid James' headache-addle bedridden wife in a pre-Political Correctness Carry On movie.

I’m sure some reform minister will introduce a “forrin hot wife policy” to suit their own particular needs.