New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[davek]

That’s running a football team not a football club

They're all involved in team decision making in one aspect or other.

When did having more people being involved in making football decisions ever make sense. The most successful teams have a dominant character who takes practically every decision themselves.

This structure has blame avoidance built into it. It's a recipe for disaster.

 

[davek]

...a few years ago we hadn't fallen out of grace of the EPL hierachy quicker than Prince Andrew, hadnt set records for most points deducted and hadnt appointed a spanish waiter as our manager...a lot has changed in a few years...

This makes no sense.

 

[thebluenosebolt]

They're all involved in team decision making in one aspect or other.

When did having more people being involved in making football decisions ever make sense. The most successful teams have a dominant character who takes practically every decision themselves.

This structure has blame avoidance built into it. It's a recipe for disaster.

It could deffo be looked that way, I prefer to think that having a backroom team full of experience will help making the correct decisions more often than not. Moshiri hired a team, didn't listen to any of them and hired and fired who he wanted, I'm kinda hoping with a team of experts, proper football decisions are taken away from those at the top. Who knows how it's going to play out, I hope the latter.

 

[Timak]

I assumed it was like data analytics stuff Brighton use For their player/manager recruitment but a different version.

I've no idea who Chris Howarth is, he might be great but for sense of scale both Brentford and Brighton have multi-hundred million pound gambling companies gathering their data and teams of data scientists processing it.

Chris was the only employee of his company, which has been running for 2 years and has a turnover of a few hundred k.

He certainly has a lot of great experience at setting up successful companies outside of sport.

 

[davek]

It could deffo be looked that way, I prefer to think that having a backroom team full of experience will help making the correct decisions more often than not. Moshiri hired a team, didn't listen to any of them and hired and fired who he wanted, I'm kinda hoping with a team of experts, proper football decisions are taken away from those at the top. Who knows how it's going to play out, I hope the latter.

Moshiri got shut of people on the whim of fan anger; TFG get shut of people on their own whim.

I see no basis for stability in that sense from 'the team of exceptional operatives'.

Expect a high turnover rate within that group. That's my expectation.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

They're all involved in team decision making in one aspect or other.

When did having more people being involved in making football decisions ever make sense. The most successful teams have a dominant character who takes practically every decision themselves.

This structure has blame avoidance built into it. It's a recipe for disaster.

We will know how successful it is depending on how long Moyes sticks around.

If it doesn't work he'll either resign or they'll either throw him under the bus when it goes South.

Hopefully it's none of the above and my fears are unfounded.

 

[Thomasc]

That's yet to be proved isn't it?

As is anything you are gibbering on about.

You want them to fail, just so you can say I told you so.

You are a disgrace.

Bore off and stop ruining every thread with your tedious guff

 

[bluenose 84]

This is something that should have happened 9 or 8 years ago, under Moshiri. It didn't. And we know how it all unfolded.

This will expose how small time Moshiri was , it’s a miracle the stadium was built and we kept out PL status. TFG are serious players and here to win. This is the start.

 

[brieverton]

I'd imagine most if not all clubs have a small army of people working in different roles. Whilst we may be different in no longer utilising a Director of Football (which I agree with), I'd be surprised if anything else we were doing was in any way unique.

It's only got attention because everything does in the social media age and the club made a formal announcement yesterday.

After nearly four decades of amateur hour on one hand and/or poverty on the other, then I don't mind the club at least trying to put a stamp of organisation onto things, and telling us that they're doing it.

This seems to me to be Kinnears initiative, and TFG are letting him get on with it.

It would be foolish to just expect everything to work and TFG certainly like to chop and change, but we'll have to see.

I don't think we've ever embraced the Premier League / Global / "Modern" era of football. These appointments and structure shouldn't be treated with too much fuss but on the face of things they seem positive. The only reservation I have would be Nick Hammond, the others seem very stellar.

None of it means anything if it doesn't deliver a better, much better team on the pitch, and with sufficient backing from TFG.

 

[thebluenosebolt]

Moshiri got shut of people on the whim of fan anger; TFG get shut of people on their own whim.

I see no basis for stability in that sense from 'the team of exceptional operatives'.

Expect a high turnover rate within that group. That's my expectation.

I mean, you could be right, You were right about Moshiri tbf. I think I'll rather be in camp positive at the moment though. New stadium, new owners, new backroom staff, we really should be getting excited of what could be rather than, it's going to be the same but worse Us as fans have been through the mill for what feels like an age.. I'm sick of being negative.

 

[Blue peter]

I forgot about the 120 point plan. Did we ever succeed with just one of those points ?

Point 1 on the plan was ‘Bill and Farhad must stop being a couple of interfering and incompetent tits’….I think he was still stuck on point 1

 

[Exeter_Gently]

I'd imagine most if not all clubs have a small army of people working in different roles. Whilst we may be different in no longer utilising a Director of Football (which I agree with), I'd be surprised if anything else we were doing was in any way unique.

It's only got attention because everything does in the social media age and the club made a formal announcement yesterday.

After nearly four decades of amateur hour on one hand and/or poverty on the other, then I don't mind the club at least trying to put a stamp of organisation onto things, and telling us that they're doing it.

This seems to me to be Kinnears initiative, and TFG are letting him get on with it.

It would be foolish to just expect everything to work and TFG certainly like to chop and change, but we'll have to see.

I don't think we've ever embraced the Premier League / Global / "Modern" era of football. These appointments and structure shouldn't be treated with too much fuss but on the face of things they seem positive. The only reservation I have would be Nick Hammond, the others seem very stellar.

None of it means anything if it doesn't deliver a better, much better team on the pitch, and with sufficient backing from TFG.

This is it...Far to much to deal with these days.

You do need a small army so to speak.

 

[Marius57]

I mean, you could be right, You were right about Moshiri tbf. I think I'll rather be in camp positive at the moment though. New stadium, new owners, new backroom staff, we really should be getting excited of what could be rather than, it's going to be the same but worse Us as fans have been through the mill for what feels like an age.. I'm sick of being negative.

To be fair, if you put yourself against any owner and virtually any manager, you will inevitably be right eventually regardless.

How many owners are actually positively viewed by fans? Even the kopites want their owners out half the time and they actually win things.

And pretty much every manager inevitably gets sacked at some point.

He would be whinging if they had carried on as normal (which was failing). And is whinging when they are changing it to run it more professionally. They could never win.

I mean, he is still whinging about Moyes who with a team that Dyche had playing crap football that Dave was advocating for, got us comfortably safe and winning games and on course over 60 points.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

These fellas will be judged on acquisitions - and then on-field results.

The last thing I'll be doing is getting excited at some back-office appointments. I want to see front-of-house soccer superstars hoisting the scarf in front of the Gwladys Street loge seats before I get tumescent with anticipation. Right now, it feels as if the women's team is more of a priority.

There’s no PSR in women’s football and players are easier and cheaper to get so you can make the progress you want to make much quicker.

For me the ambition they are showing on the women’s side is a positive marker of the ambition they have for the men’s side of things, it’s just that it’ll take a bit more time.

 

[MikeH72]

Football clubs are simple things to run: you get a manager who knows what they're doing and you get out of their way. Let him decide who's bought, how they train and how they play.

You dont need departments of pencil pushing no marks to do that.

This convoluted hierarchy is more worrying than it is a source for hope.

I mean why don’t they just appoint you, who clearly has all the experience and in depth working knowledge of running a football club? It’s baffling how you’re sat in your stained undies in Wigan chatting bubbles behind a cat lemon avatar on the internet instead of heading the operations of a multi million pound sports business. Have you checked your junk mail folder, maybe all the job offers have been filtered out into there?