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[Runub]

My best mate is a pilot and he said the flaps weren't extended.

Apparently they needs to be fully extended to take the weight of the plane.

Someone's cocked up big time.

Same thing happened to a Spanair flight Madrid airport early 2000s. Flaps not extended for takeoff. Apparently it’s almost certain doom to take without flaps extended. The takeoff video isn’t clear but there doesn’t seem to be flaps extended. But there should be alarms to warn pilots of wrong configuration at takeoff so who knows.

 

[Rich1878]

….we’re on a Dreamliner on Sunday, doesn’t bother me in the least but obviously different if you were involved.

Off anywhere nice ?

 

[Walken]

Same thing happened to a Spanair flight Madrid airport early 2000s. Flaps not extended for takeoff. Apparently it’s almost certain doom to take without flaps extended. The takeoff video isn’t clear but there doesn’t seem to be flaps extended. But there should be alarms to warn pilots of wrong configuration at takeoff so who knows.

Would it get any lift at all with the flaps not extended? I feel a bit grim being genuinely curious about it

 

[Eggs]

Off anywhere nice ?

…Cyprus.

 

[Rich1878]

…Cyprus.

Lovely

 

[Eggs]

Would it get any lift at all with the flaps not extended? I feel a bit grim being genuinely curious about it

….i think it’s natural when the event happened so clearly on video. Obviously different flying high over the ocean. I’d imagine the survivor will be a key witness, he’s apparently mentioned hearing a bang but need to determine if that’s the impact.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Same thing happened to a Spanair flight Madrid airport early 2000s. Flaps not extended for takeoff. Apparently it’s almost certain doom to take without flaps extended. The takeoff video isn’t clear but there doesn’t seem to be flaps extended. But there should be alarms to warn pilots of wrong configuration at takeoff so who knows.

It's all conjecture at minute that was just my mates opinion looking at the video,wings and he said the fact it only hit 600ft he was of the opinion the flaps weren't extended.

It will all come out in the wash.

 

[sbbefc]

Forgive my ignorance. But how are the flaps extended? By the sounds of things they're done manually on the ground? But you'd think it would be done by the pilot?

 

[SerenityNigh]

Same thing happened to a Spanair flight Madrid airport early 2000s. Flaps not extended for takeoff. Apparently it’s almost certain doom to take without flaps extended. The takeoff video isn’t clear but there doesn’t seem to be flaps extended. But there should be alarms to warn pilots of wrong configuration at takeoff so who knows.

Should be throwing all sorts of alarms

 

[SerenityNigh]

Forgive my ignorance. But how are the flaps extended? By the sounds of things they're done manually on the ground? But you'd think it would be done by the pilot?

It’s one of the many buttons and levers in the flight deck

 

[SerenityNigh]

Would it get any lift at all with the flaps not extended? I feel a bit grim being genuinely curious about it

Yes… and no. Of course wings generate lift all the time in cruise flight with flaps set to 0. But it’s not an approved takeoff configuration for this aircraft, and won’t produce enough lift to climb at slow airspeeds, which is probably what you meant.

 

[sbbefc]

It’s one of the many buttons and levers in the flight deck

Thanks, stupid question but surely if it's just a button in the cockpit how has the pilot got this so terribly wrong?

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Forgive my ignorance. But how are the flaps extended? By the sounds of things they're done manually on the ground? But you'd think it would be done by the pilot?

Pilot flips a switch

 

[Walken]

Yes… and no. Of course wings generate lift all the time in cruise flight with flaps set to 0. But it’s not an approved takeoff configuration for this aircraft, and won’t produce enough lift to climb at slow airspeeds, which is probably what you meant.

Been waiting for your arrival!

 

[SerenityNigh]

Thanks, stupid question but surely if it's just a button in the cockpit how has the pilot got this so terribly wrong?

Difficult to say without speculating so I’ll just give these few comments: it’s so easy to confuse one switch with another; they train this over and over and over; this doesn’t happen that often (the crash at least, no doubt pilots flip the wrong switch)