2017/18 Ademola Lookman

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He said he'd be better off going to Derby than going to Leipzig. That is mid-table of the championship versus top half of the bundesliga in a team playing in Europe (at the time). He didn't literally say "jog on" but he clearly had no intention of playing him and publicly chastised him for wanting to play at a higher level than his manager believed he was capable of. What is the message Allardyce was sending if it wasn't "you're rubbish"?
How did he have no intention of playing him? He simply didn’t feature at that period of time, he may have done so in the future but we will never know. Lookman wanted to go on loan, Sam wanted him to go to derby rather than Germany maybe because he would be more likely to play, which has been an issue in terms of games started in Germany. Also the championship is unforgiving in terms of work rate so it would have thought him to do the hard work defensively. The point I’m making is that people are jumping all over Sam for saying lookman is rubbish or wanted him out etc. for all of Sam’s failures I think we need to be fair and honest with this.
 
How did he have no intention of playing him? He simply didn’t feature at that period of time, he may have done so in the future but we will never know. Lookman wanted to go on loan, Sam wanted him to go to derby rather than Germany maybe because he would be more likely to play, which has been an issue in terms of games started in Germany. Also the championship is unforgiving in terms of work rate so it would have thought him to do the hard work defensively. The point I’m making is that people are jumping all over Sam for saying lookman is rubbish or wanted him out etc. for all of Sam’s failures I think we need to be fair and honest with this.
There at least as many assumptions in your narrative as mine, I'm basing mine on what Allardyce actually chose to do with Lookman when they were both at the club. What are you basing yours on?
 
Your posts imply that we have plenty of better options than Lookman. Aside from Walcott, who have we got?
No my posts imply that we couldn't afford the luxury of playing Lookman as he's suspect defensively. We've had our backs to the wall most of the season in a team with zero confidence with JJk right back and Cuco left back. How can you play Lookman in that side?. He's not ready imo, loan was the best thing for him.
 
No my posts imply that we couldn't afford the luxury of playing Lookman as he's suspect defensively. We've had our backs to the wall most of the season in a team with zero confidence with JJk right back and Cuco left back. How can you play Lookman in that side?. He's not ready imo, loan was the best thing for him.
Again then, who should we play. Lookman isn't good enough, so who in our squad is a better option?
 

There at least as many assumptions in your narrative as mine, I'm basing mine on what Allardyce actually chose to do with Lookman when they were both at the club. What are you basing yours on?
I’m not basing it on anything, we simply don’t know. However by you simply saying ‘we should keep him and coach him’ then ‘that Sam hasn’t got any confidence in him by wanting him to go derby’ is not necessarily fact. Lots of our younger players are on loan in the lower leagues, it’s called development.
 
I’m not basing it on anything, we simply don’t know. However by you simply saying ‘we should keep him and coach him’ then ‘that Sam hasn’t got any confidence in him by wanting him to go derby’ is not necessarily fact. Lots of our younger players are on loan in the lower leagues, it’s called development.
We have left ourselves woefully short of creativity in midfield but you support sending one of the few players who has actually created chances out on loan. In terms of the "development" argument the last player from our squad I can recall benefitting from going out on loan was Coleman. Between that time and now we have brought a lot of young players into the first team from our development squad without the need of loans in the, as you put it, "unforgiving" championship. As it happens, the loan that Lookman wanted, and Allardyce publicly rubbished, looks like it will help Lookman's development but I fear that we will not be the beneficiaries of that development.
 
Again then, who should we play. Lookman isn't good enough, so who in our squad is a better option?
Gylfi was playing left side most of the season and getting through a mountain of work defensively. He provided great cover for an exposed Cuco and as I've said Bolaise hasn't been great but he's been playing as a second left back with the odd goal and assist.

Look, I have hope for the lad, he's got a bit about him but he's a luxury player if he can't do his bit going the other way and in our team atm it's a luxury we can't afford.
 
I do not think his future is at Everton. Sure, he has a lot of talent but is he made of the right stuff for us? I watched videos of our last Blue Chrimbo celebrations in the community and saw plenty of Capt Jags and Bainsey etc, but little or nothing of Ademola.
I wasn’t impressed tbh. Does he have the community-mindedness that is a prerequisite to be an Everton legend like Capt Jags and Bainsey etc? I’m unconvinced. Talent is all well and good, but that’s not what you need to make it at our community focussed club. I would look to sell him in the summer

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Gylfi was playing left side most of the season and getting through a mountain of work defensively. He provided great cover for an exposed Cuco and as I've said Bolaise hasn't been great but he's been playing as a second left back with the odd goal and assist.

Look, I have hope for the lad, he's got a bit about him but he's a luxury player if he can't do his bit going the other way and in our team atm it's a luxury we can't afford.
It's the bit in bold I can't agree with you on. All we do is defend, it's all Allardyce knows, what we are rubbish at is creating chances. If we don't start taking some chances in an attacking sense sooner rather than later then we will soon see 40 points as an achievement rather than a minimum requirement.
 

It's the bit in bold I can't agree with you on. All we do is defend, it's all Allardyce knows, what we are rubbish at is creating chances. If we don't start taking some chances in an attacking sense sooner rather than later then we will soon see 40 points as an achievement rather than a minimum requirement.
Yeah well maybe when/if we get rid of Fred Flintstone and his dinoball we can find a place for players like Mola.
 
We have left ourselves woefully short of creativity in midfield but you support sending one of the few players who has actually created chances out on loan. In terms of the "development" argument the last player from our squad I can recall benefitting from going out on loan was Coleman. Between that time and now we have brought a lot of young players into the first team from our development squad without the need of loans in the, as you put it, "unforgiving" championship. As it happens, the loan that Lookman wanted, and Allardyce publicly rubbished, looks like it will help Lookman's development but I fear that we will not be the beneficiaries of that development.
I’m not supporting it really, I’m just trying to be fair to Sam in the level of criticism he gets in this thread.
 
Ok I agree that I probably got a bit carried away with myself.

However I would add two things. Firstly, Allardyce does indeed have many personality traits that are common place in sociopaths. And when I say many, I could probably come up with at least a dozen if I tried hard enough. Secondly, many sociopaths lead normal lives and most casual acquaintances will even consider them good blokes/lasses. Many are able to control the more sinister traits associated with sociopathy, which only really come to the surface when they are backed upto a wall. Allardyce is a very wealthy individual and is extremely unlikely to ever be in that position.

You seem to be putting him in the same bracket as most football managers (apologies if I got that wrong) but I disagree with that entirely. His ego is on an entirely different level.
You really are as stupid as your posts aren't you. I never said they are aware of their illness. But on whole they are in control of their actions for which there is normally a purpose.
Before you start calling people stupid might be an idea to read your own posts first.
 
The problem for Lookman is he’s a player in a league where the priority is to not lose. He’s the definition of a luxury player who can attack but not defend. He’s not at the level where you can excuse it because he’s the mutts nuts.
 
Before you start calling people stupid might be an idea to read your own posts first.
And can I ask that before you reply to any of them you read them too. If you weren't so stupid you'd have seen that my second post you quoted answered your previous issue.

In the hope that it might sink in this time I'll say again, I have never stated or implied they are aware of their illness.
 

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