Munich Shooting

[Minimeister]

A 17-year-old Afghan asylum seeker brandishing an axe and shouting "Allahu Akbar" ("Allah is the greatest") seriously injured five people on a train in Würzburg, Bavaria. The assailant was shot dead by police after he charged at them with the axe.

The teenager, who had claimed asylum after arriving in Germany in June 2015 as an unaccompanied minor, had been placed with a foster family just two weeks before the attack as a reward for being "well integrated."

After the blood-filled train — an eyewitness said it "looked like a slaughterhouse" — came to a stop at a station in Heidingsfeld near Würzburg, the teenager jumped off and tried to escape. Surrounded by police, he lunged at them with an axe. Police shot the attacker dead because "there was no other option."

Green Party MP Renate Künast criticized the police for using lethal force. In a tweet, she wrote: "Why could the attacker not have been incapacitated without killing him???? Questions!"

Künast's comments provoked a furious backlash, with many accusing her of showing more sympathy for the perpetrator than for the victims. The outpouring of anger against Künast indicates that Germans have had enough of their politically correct politicians.

I think we should give Renate a gun and have a mad axe man come legging it towards her.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Oh I got your point, all right....Dismissive of risk as it appeared. Disrespectful to the victims as it was. These aren't isolated events, indeed, they're becoming ever more frequent - don't pretend otherwise.

I mean....Would you actually say to those families "Well, y'know? They might've got hit by a bus tomorrow"?

I prefer to err on the side of caution. If that means others don't get the benefit our society gives them (It's not all one-way traffic, with us benefitting from immigration more than they benefit, as some'd have you believe) to keep me & mine at a far lower risk from the dangers of attack - be that from fundamentalists, or just plain mentalists - then so be it. I could live quite happily (And safer) without the so-called 'benefit' immigration brings me (I don't reap much of a direct benefit, and no tangible one)

Merkel was warned the likelihood of these things happening would increase; she's got plenty to answer for.

Honestly - you'd think everything was hunky-dory; and that people have no right to share their observations, be outraged or offer solutions.

I said months back that the oil states are replete with wealth and could easily accommodate the lot of those refugees; but they won't because of the mentality of them - humanitarians the lot of them Gulf states, aren't they? - And I got harangued for it.

But I'll say it again...And again...And again. It wasn't the west's problem - it's been made the west's problem, by the political cowards who are too scared to tell sheik mustafa shi'ite to pull his bleedin' finger out and do his bit to help his fellow muslim refugees out, in case he turns off the oil tap.

Old Duncan-Smith would be dead proud I reckon as you're using the exact same logic the Daily Mail use when taking an isolated incidence of welfare abuse and using that to bash all claimants.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

"I would care significantly about ensuring the safety and wellbeing of me and my family". This is probably most peoples thoughts, so my question still stands, where are all the women and children ? Also if you happened to be German, would you not 'care significantly about ensuring the safety and wellbeing of yourself and your family'

It strikes me that we are not resolving any issues but are merely moving the problems over to Europe. Why not go the whole distance and move them all over, then the EU can lay claim to the whole of Syria, send in an army to clear it out and set it up as a protectorate. Of course all the other middle east countries might object, but having done little to either resolve the situation or provide assistance why should anyone listen......

Given that the number of those 100,000 refugees that have been dangerous is probably significantly below 0.1%, what is it exactly that people should be so afraid of? It's an ugly time indeed when we become so afraid of our fellow man.

 

[anton66]

Given that the number of those 100,000 refugees that have been dangerous is probably significantly below 0.1%, what is it exactly that people should be so afraid of? It's an ugly time indeed when we become so afraid of our fellow man.

Being blown up.

 

[1966efc]

Given that the number of those 100,000 refugees that have been dangerous is probably significantly below 0.1%, what is it exactly that people should be so afraid of? It's an ugly time indeed when we become so afraid of our fellow man.[/QU]

I'm sympathetic to the fact that many of those escaping horrific conditions in Syria will have / be experiencing PTSD.

I doubt this was factored in to the considerations Merkel made when hijacking E U consensus to issue her "Come one, come all" invite.

Indeed, if it was considered, what hope would any mental health system have of coping with such demand?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Being blown up.

I'm amazed the streets of London weren't deserted after 7/7. Thankfully the people of London are a little more sensible.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm sympathetic to the fact that many of those escaping horrific conditions in Syria will have / be experiencing PTSD.

I doubt this was factored in to the considerations Merkel made when hijacking E U consensus to issue her "Come one, come all" invite.

Indeed, if it was considered, what hope would any mental health system have of coping with such demand?

Probably better than most other places on the planet.

 

[anton66]

I'm amazed the streets of London weren't deserted after 7/7. Thankfully the people of London are a little more sensible.

I'm sure the people of London are a lot more wary of where they go now.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm sure the people of London are a lot more wary of where they go now.

For most of the past year I've been going past Russell Square each day for work and I really don't think anyone thinks of it one bit. I certainly don't. Why would you? I mean do you worry about flying on an aeroplane because a few have been shot down in the past few years? I'd suggest that the thousands going through our airports each day don't give it a moments thought.

I suspect you've literally got me chance of being hit by a car playing Pokemon Go than you have of being caught up in any terrorist incident. You've certainly got more chance of being involved in a standard road traffic accident.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Old Duncan-Smith would be dead proud I reckon as you're using the exact same logic the Daily Mail use when taking an isolated incidence of welfare abuse and using that to bash all claimants.

Lame attempt to get a rise from me Bruce. You're better than that....Usually.

Number of innocents killed by benefit claimants in Britain over the last fortnight = None (As far as we know)

"" killed by immigrants in Germany in same period = Loads.

No contest really, is it?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Lame attempt to get a rise from me Bruce. You're better than that....Usually.

Number of innocents killed by benefit claimants in Britain over the last fortnight = None (As far as we know)

"" killed by immigrants in Germany in same period = Loads.

No contest really, is it?

I'm not sure you're getting me. I'm not comparing benefit fraud with a terrorist incident, I'm comparing the use of minority behaviours to criticise a much larger group who behave perfectly well. It's exactly what the Mail do with their benefit stories, and it's exactly what you're doing here.

I'm not for one minute suggesting that anyone who loses their life to such attacks is not deserving of our upmost sympathies, but I am saying that what these deranged individuals do should not be a stick with which to beat those who have done absolutely nothing wrong.

 

[bring back the catt]

Being blown up.

Unfortunately, nobody can be absolutely sure what the numbers of immigrants are. Equally, nobody can be sure just how many are a danger. The point is, NOBODY IS SURE, so figures cannot be thrown around to endorse or discredit a theory.
The worrying thing is those three words, 'nobody is sure' which is a disgrace because this situation was encouraged, for want of a better word, it did not just happen.
If figures are to be used though, isn't less than 0.01% still too many to allow to just mingle.
Isn't such an infinitesimal amount just insignificant enough to encourage complacency. Can not just such a small number create future problems. The very sort of problems which brought about 7/7?

 

[Dymak]

The Islamic terrorist that attacked Nice was paid £85,000 to carry out the atrocity.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Unfortunately, nobody can be absolutely sure what the numbers of immigrants are. Equally, nobody can be sure just how many are a danger. The point is, NOBODY IS SURE, so figures cannot be thrown around to endorse or discredit a theory.
The worrying thing is those three words, 'nobody is sure' which is a disgrace because this situation was encouraged, for want of a better word, it did not just happen.
If figures are to be used though, isn't less than 0.01% still too many to allow to just mingle.
Isn't such an infinitesimal amount just insignificant enough to encourage complacency. Can not just such a small number create future problems. The very sort of problems which brought about 7/7?

Ok, let me put it another way. These people are railing against a way of life. It's a way of life that I like to think is tolerant of those that are different, helpful to those that are in need, and supportive of those that want to better their life. If we say that because 10 of those that we gave shelter to are nutters then we will deny safe harbour to 99,990 people who appreciate our support and cherish the chance to rebuild afresh, then that to me suggests that we've let them win.

I can't really say it any better than Benjamin Franklin.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

 

[1966efc]

As aphorisms go, as meaningless as most of them.