Munich Shooting

[atrottel]

Sorry, but you can't be critical of Europe's leftwing and then declare that Germany will retreat to naziism in the same sentence.

While I agree that there will be a rise of the right in European countries (including the UK), a large part of that will be down to fellow-travellers labelling everything that they can possibly find Islamic terrorism and ignoring any facts that subsequently emerge as they move quickly onto the next 'Islamic outrage'.

The main common denominator that appears to have emerged so far is drugs and/or psychiatric treatment, rather than religion.

Added: Ansbach is near Nuremberg and is not part of Munich.

 

[Seathestars]

While I agree that there will be a rise of the right in European countries (including the UK), a large part of that will be down to fellow-travellers labelling everything that they can possibly find Islamic terrorism and ignoring any facts that subsequently emerge as they move quickly onto the next 'Islamic outrage'.

The main common denominator that appears to have emerged so far is drugs and/or psychiatric treatment, rather than religion.

Added: Ansbach is near Nuremberg and is not part of Munich.

You have some good points but let's not sugar coat it, the main common denominator is Islamic terrorism.
However there are over a billion Muslims in the world, very few are terrorists, but the majority of Muslims should do more to alienate the evil few.

 

[Polish_Blue_Army]

However there are over a billion Muslims in the world, very few are terrorists, but the majority of Muslims should do more to alienate the evil few.

Radicals are minority but they set tone for the passive majority. Nazis and bolsheviks were also a minority but were well-organised and determined

 

[atrottel]

Munich - said to be Islamic terrorism (even classed as 'terrorism' by our new Foreign Secretary) - apparently psychologically disturbed youngster obsessed with school shootings and far-right murderer Anders Breivik

Reutlingen - panic over Islamic attack - apparently psychologically disturbed fast-food worker murders fellow worker that he is in love with.

Munich region S-Bahn murder (from May) - 'terrorism on the local trains' - in fact, psychologically disturbed German on drugs

And, of course, none of the people now so publicly frothing at the mouth about these attacks were anywhere to be seen when murders of and firebombings on migrants and refugees were taking place. 450 attacks on refugee shelters and more than 100 violent attacks on refugees have been registered in Germany since the start of this year.

 

[Seanjd]

The trouble with this mess and Merkel is that by inviting endless numbers of asylum seekers to Europe she is trying to make amends for the attrocities of the Nazis during the war, she has even said as much herself. Now look what we're left with.

Can you find when/where she said that?

 

[Seanjd]

You have some good points but let's not sugar coat it, the main common denominator is Islamic terrorism.
However there are over a billion Muslims in the world, very few are terrorists, but the majority of Muslims should do more to alienate the evil few.

Back to that old chestnut again - Muslims throughout the world aren't doing nothing enough to decry the deranged acts of a few nutter terrorists? Come off it lad.

How do you think 'the majority of Muslims' go about alienating a few evil terrorists?

 

[Seanjd]

She should be jailed at least. She and other european left wing officials not only have blood on their hands but are the reason why Germand will reopen their death camps soon. Impossoble that German far right wing won't grow up hugely after this

Indeed these kind of attacks spread fear, and far-right movement live off fear. But writing that Germany will reopen its death camps is mad hyperbole. Germany have mad ever effort, and succeeded in separating itself with its tragic past in a relatively short amount of time. To suggest that they will soon return to full blown nazism is a little insensitive.

 

[Polish_Blue_Army]

Indeed these kind of attacks spread fear, and far-right movement live off fear. But writing that Germany will reopen its death camps is mad hyperbole. Germany have mad ever effort, and succeeded in separating itself with its tragic past in a relatively short amount of time. To suggest that they will soon return to full blown nazism is a little insensitive.

How do you think this will end up ?

 

[Seanjd]

How do you think this will end up ?

I think we will probably see a lurch to the right in terms of government in lots of countries. Anti immigration conservative type stuff. Nothing like 1930's Germany.

There will be pockets of far-right anti Islamists gaining support thought unwarranted scaremongering, though.

 

[Polish_Blue_Army]

I think we will probably see a lurch to the right in terms of government in lots of countries. Anti immigration conservative type stuff. Nothing like 1930's Germany.

There will be pockets of far-right anti Islamists gaining support thought unwarranted scaremongering, though.

I have no doubts that in year/5 years/10 years time, unlike German officials of course, German people will have it enough.

By the way - former concentration camp in Dachau has been reopened a while ago. Ironicly as a refugee house now

 

[atrottel]

By the way - former concentration camp in Dachau has been reopened a while ago. Ironicly as a refugee house now

Once again, inaccurate propaganda (not getting at you!). In fact, there are around 50 refugees living in a building across the road which once housed a school of alternative medicine and which used camp labourers in its herb garden.

I was at the concentration camp a few weeks ago and I can assure you that it has not been 'reopened' and that refugees are not being housed in the former camp quarters (most of which were anyway demolished).

 

[deipnosophist]

A 17-year-old Afghan asylum seeker brandishing an axe and shouting "Allahu Akbar" ("Allah is the greatest") seriously injured five people on a train in Würzburg, Bavaria. The assailant was shot dead by police after he charged at them with the axe.

The teenager, who had claimed asylum after arriving in Germany in June 2015 as an unaccompanied minor, had been placed with a foster family just two weeks before the attack as a reward for being "well integrated."

After the blood-filled train — an eyewitness said it "looked like a slaughterhouse" — came to a stop at a station in Heidingsfeld near Würzburg, the teenager jumped off and tried to escape. Surrounded by police, he lunged at them with an axe. Police shot the attacker dead because "there was no other option."

Green Party MP Renate Künast criticized the police for using lethal force. In a tweet, she wrote: "Why could the attacker not have been incapacitated without killing him???? Questions!"

Künast's comments provoked a furious backlash, with many accusing her of showing more sympathy for the perpetrator than for the victims. The outpouring of anger against Künast indicates that Germans have had enough of their politically correct politicians.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And that's not an indictment of eu freedom of movement policy, mout?

We were told we'd be safer in, yet these are known criminals and they got in unhindered.

Germany allowed 1m in unchecked and unhindered; now they're copping it. Well in, Ange.

What do you think is the ratio in that group of doing good things that add to society versus bad things that detract from it?

This reminds me of the inevitable argument with driverless cars in that we'll be happy to let human drivers kill and injure thousands each year, but as soon as one incident involving a driverless car happens we go crazy.

A bit of perspective here is no bad thing.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Once again, inaccurate propaganda (not getting at you!). In fact, there are around 50 refugees living in a building across the road which once housed a school of alternative medicine and which used camp labourers in its herb garden.

I was at the concentration camp a few weeks ago and I can assure you that it has not been 'reopened' and that refugees are not being housed in the former camp quarters (most of which were anyway demolished).

Indeed, I also visited in May as we drove through Germany and it's a tourist attraction (if that's an appropriate label), nothing more.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

What do you think is the ratio in that group of doing good things that add to society versus bad things that detract from it?

This reminds me of the inevitable argument with driverless cars in that we'll be happy to let human drivers kill and injure thousands each year, but as soon as one incident involving a driverless car happens we go crazy.

A bit of perspective here is no bad thing.

A bit of perspective? Tell that to the victim's families, Bruce.

And other than that psycho in Nice, generally people don't use vehicles to murder people.