The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[Coach]

See, it's that kind of misunderstood rhetoric that doesn't help matters. Elephant & Castle is regarded as a poor/working class area right at this minute. It's regarded as a poor and working class area when the Heygate is nothing but rubble on the ground.

So how on earth do you believe the construction of several thousand new homes make the area lose the number of 'poor' people in it compared to none of those homes existing right now?

It's madness. The housing bubble is largely caused by a lack of housing, yet within a couple of minutes walk from my house there are probably 4 housing developments under construction. And you still spin that as a bad thing because those houses won't be affordable enough. Ffs.

Harriet Harmon is the MP for Southwark. Maybe you should drop her a line.

I'm not spinning anything - I've given you figures showing how the benefit cap affects London and how people can't afford to live there. You chose to raise E&C as anecdotal rather than empirical evidence in support of your POV and in response I've also shown you that the new builds will only contain 3% social housing. I've given you facts - you have given me anecdotes. I know which one is closer to spin.

The poor are being moved on.

 

[Donald Twain]

I might be wrong, but I believe all governments have a fund that is set aside for certain things, of which military action is one. Nothing to do with the budget really.

Have you seen the cuts to the military? I think your saying anything here to back the Bullingdon boys regardless of insight.

 

[rascal]

I might be wrong, but I believe all governments have a fund that is set aside for certain things, of which military action is one. Nothing to do with the budget really.

In other words, money to be paid to the military industrial complex when they demand it......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm not spinning anything - I've given you figures showing how the benefit cap affects London and how people can't afford to live there. You chose to raise E&C as anecdotal rather than empirical evidence in support of your POV and in response I've also shown you that the new builds will only contain 3% social housing. I've given you facts - you have given me anecdotes. I know which one is closer to spin.

The poor are being moved on.

Ok, I'll try and make it easier for you to understand. The Heygate has been empty since 2007, so for at least 7 years now, by your logic, the poor will have been cleansed from the area. That hasn't happened at all, and it is still predominantly a working class part of town.

Given that baseline, how therefore can the construction of around 3,000 new homes make the area less friendly to working class people than it is currently?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Have you seen the cuts to the military? I think your saying anything here to back the Bullingdon boys regardless of insight.

In other words, money to be paid to the military industrial complex when they demand it......

I would imagine it's the same fund used for things like flooding or other natural disaster responses. I believe it's the same kind of fund that most governments have, whatever their political leaning.

 

[Donald Twain]

I would imagine it's the same fund used for things like flooding or other natural disaster responses. I believe it's the same kind of fund that most governments have, whatever their political leaning.

The point is if we're so skint that we have starve part of society, why can we find/spend billions all of a sudden for military action ( of our own making ) that should be left for far more wealthier nations who aren't as skint on their arse as us?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The point is if we're so skint that we have starve part of society, why can we find/spend billions all of a sudden for military action ( of our own making ) that should be left for far more wealthier nations who aren't as skint on their arse as us?

http://www.trusselltrust.org/donate

I'm sure they'd appreciate your support mate.

Heck, stats suggest we throw away 7 million tonnes of edible food each year. That's us as individuals. Not restaurants, not supermarkets. Us.

You talk about people going hungry. What are you doing about that?

 

[EFCNIK]

With respect Nik, you don't live here so I don't see how you can comment? Without doubt, it is naive to think that people aren't going to socialise with those with similar interests, maybe even similar backgrounds, but I wouldn't suggest it is not harmonious.

Go to the park of a weekend for instance, and you'll see blokes playing football, kids playing tennis or whizzing round the bmx track, families gathering together for a BBQ, lads having a game of cricket. All sorts of things going on. Does it matter that it's mainly the Indian kids playing cricket or that the BBQ area is loved by the Latino population? Of course not.

That isn't to say that crime is non-existent, but E&C is way below trendier areas such as Shoreditch, Soho, Brixton and Camden.

The problems don't tend to come from those communities. Multiculturalism HAS worked on the whole. When Labour and the conservatives say it hasn't, they are doing a disservice to those communities that have fit in superbly well, whilst still being partially correct. They need to be more specific and thus open the door to tackling the problems which DO exist.

 

[bluemangroup]

Ok, I'll try and make it easier for you to understand....

Come on Bruce. @Coach isn't stupid. Don't do that.

 

[The Esk]

See, it's that kind of misunderstood rhetoric that doesn't help matters. Elephant & Castle is regarded as a poor/working class area right at this minute. It's regarded as a poor and working class area when the Heygate is nothing but rubble on the ground.

So how on earth do you believe the construction of several thousand new homes make the area lose the number of 'poor' people in it compared to none of those homes existing right now?

It's madness. The housing bubble is largely caused by a lack of housing, yet within a couple of minutes walk from my house there are probably 4 housing developments under construction. And you still spin that as a bad thing because those houses won't be affordable enough. Ffs.

Harriet Harmon is the MP for Southwark. Maybe you should drop her a line.

The Heygate demolition and subsequent redevelopment by Lend Lease, an Australian property development company is a disgrace though Bruce.

Southwark Council broke its promise to rehouse occupants when the site was started to be cleared in 2007.

A redevelopment plan by the Community Land Trust which included large provision of "affordable" housing was rejected on the grounds that it would reduce the land value of the site.

Subsequently the land was sold by Southwark Council to Lend Lease for £50 milion despite the Council already having spend £44 million on demolition and £21.5 million on planning redevelopment.

Most residents were forced to live in other areas of London, breaking up families and community groups which ultimately leads to greater social problems and associated costs.

Furthermore the London Assembly reported that prior to demolition the estate was structurally sound, required refurbishment not re-development, that 4 out of 5 residents did not want to move and that the crime rate on the estate was 50% lower than that of Southwark generally.

Housing shortages are only one of the reasons for huge price increases in London. A large contributory factor is the demolition of relatively low value accommodation and the replacement with higher value properties. Not only does this increase the average price of property on a local basis (a mathematical certainty) but it causes a ripple of price inflation around the developments, making the situation for non-property owners, first time buyers and the relatively poorly paid workers even worse.

Through this there is a de-facto social engineering, it is plain for all to see.

 

[Donald Twain]

http://www.trusselltrust.org/donate

I'm sure they'd appreciate your support mate.

Heck, stats suggest we throw away 7 million tonnes of edible food each year. That's us as individuals. Not restaurants, not supermarkets. Us.

You talk about people going hungry. What are you doing about that?

Look I don't reveal this lightly but here goes, I volunteer for a Christian unofficial food bank twice a month and I'm telling you! these folks aren't throwing food away and neither do I.

 

[The Esk]

Look I don't reveal this lightly but here goes, I volunteer for a Christian unofficial food bank twice a month and I'm telling you! these folks aren't throwing food away and neither do I.

Good on you mate, my eldest does something similar - she comes home and says she has visited homes where there is literally not a scrap of food in the home. Some might be down to bad planning and other issues, but most is poverty.

 

[Donald Twain]

Good on you mate, my eldest does something similar - she comes home and says she has visited homes where there is literally not a scrap of food in the home. Some might be down to bad planning and other issues, but most is poverty.

Whatever brought people to their situation where basics aren't on the table, doesn't matter to me! You cannot have people or their children not eating! I'm sorry I took the bait.

 

[Blue 1]

They need to start specifically blaming muslims.

That's what your post meant. Just say it. Don't be PC about it.

 

[EFCNIK]

That's what your post meant. Just say it.

Not blame. Acknowledge and not brush under the carpet in the hope that that community can follow the example of others. Unfortunately at the moment by being just as they are, they get what they want anyway. Its always those who shout the loudest!