Conspiracy Theories

[magicjuan]

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2014/0...timately-defeat-the-west-and-no-one-listened/
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoliy_Golitsyn

This is one I've come across whilst reading up on the Cold War. He defected to the west and was the guy who accused Wilson of being a KGB agent. He wrote a book in 1984 outlining Russia's long term plans and almost every prove able accusation that he made has come to fruition, including Putin. Really interesting.

The counter to that is Zibigniew Brzinksi's Grand Chessboard, he states a plan for American geopolitics, most of which has been followed.
Big pal of Kissinger, the numero uno baddie for most conspiracists, was, not sure if still is, an adviser to Obama, previously to Carter... so keeps good company

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Grand-Chessboard-Geostrategic-Imperatives/dp/0465027261

there's a pdf out there somewhere too...

 

[Professor Toffee]

Are you sure?

*lights cigarette and slowly retreats into shadows*

I shold know, taps nose

 

[Pat's Van]

Good one Pat, where'd you find that?

on the internet

 

[Basil Fawlty]

The counter to that is Zibigniew Brzinksi's Grand Chessboard, he states a plan for American geopolitics, most of which has been followed.
Big pal of Kissinger, the numero uno baddie for most conspiracists, was, not sure if still is, an adviser to Obama, previously to Carter... so keeps good company

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Grand-Chessboard-Geostrategic-Imperatives/dp/0465027261

there's a pdf out there somewhere too...

I'll have a look at that mate. I did a course on totalitarianism last year and was surprised when I learned Brzinski was a close advisor to Obama. Been watching an Adam Curtis documentary about game theory the last week as well which is brilliant. On Golytsyn I think the book was written by the CIA and credited to him but it's still interesting as 130 odd of the predictions he made have since been proven true. For a book written in 1984, when the Cold War was at its second peak with all the Star Wars rhetoric Reagan was spouting is quite bold.

 

[Professor Toffee]

on the internet

wow, there's an internet now? why didnt i know about it?

 

[magicjuan]

I'll have a look at that mate. I did a course on totalitarianism last year and was surprised when I learned Brzinski was a close advisor to Obama. Been watching an Adam Curtis documentary about game theory the last week as well which is brilliant. On Golytsyn I think the book was written by the CIA and credited to him but it's still interesting as 130 odd of the predictions he made have since been proven true. For a book written in 1984, when the Cold War was at its second peak with all the Star Wars rhetoric Reagan was spouting is quite bold.

I'll take a look, haven't come across that yet

 

[Pat's Van]

http://www.isciencetimes.com/articl...xplained-science-solve-russias-terrifying.htm

see most of the comments there debunk that "debunking"

scavenging animals ??? but no animal footprints ??? yet the dead hikers footprints are still there

 

[Basil Fawlty]

see most of the comments there debunk that "debunking"

scavenging animals ??? but no animal footprints ??? yet the dead hikers footprints are still there

Didn't read the comments but I used it mainly because it explains the paradoxical undressing theory, which is interesting. If it was just an avalanche they must have been trapped as they undressed after being severely frost bitten. It's an interesting story like. Just don't watch the film they did of it last year, utter, utter rubbish that mate. I was looking forward to it as well.

 

[deipnosophist]

The counter to that is Zibigniew Brzinksi's Grand Chessboard, he states a plan for American geopolitics, most of which has been followed.
Big pal of Kissinger, the numero uno baddie for most conspiracists, was, not sure if still is, an adviser to Obama, previously to Carter... so keeps good company

Believe it or not, Kissinger was the Bush/Cheney administration's first choice to head the 9/11 Commission.

 

[magicjuan]

Believe it or not, Kissinger was the Bush/Cheney administration's first choice to head the 9/11 Commission.

Could well believe it, god knows how it would have come out then

 

[RaleighBlue]

A lot later, and by crossing a land bridge.

First people in Britain, when you could literally walk here from france was 25,000 years ago.

First people in Australia, when you couldn't walk there, was 80-000 to 40,000 years ago.

Seems the first people in Asia were there 100,000 years ago. We went east before headed northwest. At least that's the current working theory. Most likely due to following food or avoiding poor weather. There is also circumstantial evidence in Crete of the use of boats as far back as 130,000 years ago.

Aboriginals being in Australia 80,000 years ago is an absolutely fascinating fact, but I don't think it's bizarre or worthy of a conspiracy theory. And as much as science are deffo the guys to trust here, a lot of prehistory is still being uncovered and revised. We may find that people were zipping around the world in yachts that far back (not really).

The original settlement of the Americas is still quite fuzzy for example, with newer theories with some circumstantial supporting evidence that humans arrived via boat as well as via the land bridge.

 

[Moomin]

see most of the comments there debunk that "debunking"

scavenging animals ??? but no animal footprints ??? yet the dead hikers footprints are still there

It was the Hollywood Brat pack

 

[RaleighBlue]

Ooh, here's an interesting article re: boats:
http://archive.archaeology.org/9805/newsbriefs/mariners.html
Apparently some evidence that Homo Erectus were using boats as far back as 900,000 years ago. Who needs to develop a technology when you can steal it and kill its inventor?

Flores could be reached only by crossing an 11.4-mile-wide strait, even at times of lowest sea level. The Mata Menge artifacts prove that H. erectus was able to make the crossing.

 

[Pabbers]

On the 9/11 stuff, I have never understood the Pentagon damage.

It makes no sens, no way can a jet make that tiny damage, bizare.

 

[Tramps_mate]

http://www.isciencetimes.com/articl...xplained-science-solve-russias-terrifying.htm

Surely an avalanche of such force to crack skulls and chest cages would do more than just knock a tent a bit and put a hand full of snow on it.. Id expect it to have been totally lost!