Jags..class
Player Valuation: £70m
said on city talk this morning, Barkley, Baines and Coleman to sign.
Hope this is true
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Hope this is true
Yes you said this already. Didn't make it right the first time.
meagher94
Player Valuation: £35m
Yeah that was me, everything went through Baines that day, was like the players thought they still played for Moyes.
*shudders*
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Different thread but point still remains, dunno how on earth people can get excited about us giving coleman a huge pay rise when we have him under contract till the summer of 2017 already... this improves us how as a club i fail to understand in the slightest, Barkley is under his first professional contract so yeah can understand that being a good thing, gets him under a proper professional rather than youth contract type thing, baines yeah his contract is running out and it stops his value plummeting come the summer, coleman, how is it benefiting the club to be seen as this great news
This is a Baines thread.
They're both tremendous fullbacks. Other clubs want because they're good.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
No offense meant here mate, but far too many people seem to think in FM terms with buy outs, VERY VERY few players at English clubs have a buy out in their contract, probably only a handful of players which i can ever remember, just think a lot of us seem to think that the fellaini clause he had is a norm in British football when in fact its usually only ever seen when desperately trying to stop a player who otherwise could walk soon - like we feared over fellaini - that clause was only in their as his agent had us bent over at the time
Completely different kettle of fish in spain and portugal etc, although some clubs over their just insert ridiculous buy outs which effectively make them a moot point - Bilbao and Barca two classic examples
I can state with 99.99% certainty that the likes of Coleman don't have any form of buyout in their deals whatsoever
Mick Ocallaghan
Player Valuation: £750k
It could be to benefit us too man. Use it as a chance to put a buy out clause in, or raise a current one. Basically buying more commitment.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Aye it is a baines thread that people where commenting on deals for Coleman and Barkley also mate, so thats why i posted
Baines has been linked with one club btw, not exactly fighting a host of teams off over, and he is re-signing pretty much as that teams interest has cooled/dissapeared, not some great show of loyalty exactly and hard to get excited that he only signed when the interest went away mate
As for coleman - let them be interested all they want - he has 4 1/2 years left on his deal mate, don't see the issue with him playing for what contract he is under already
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
He won't have a buy out in his contract mate, its not Spain where i believe its part of their rules that all players must have one in their contract, very few domestic players or even foreign imports ever have a buy out anywhere in their
Mick Ocallaghan
Player Valuation: £750k
Wasnt saying that this was why we are giving him a new contract, it could be just to keep him sweet. Was just responding as to why we could be giving him a new one when he has so long on his current one. Its not always as straight forward as doing it to reward him. It could be for our own protection to. Its not FM terms, (i dont have that game so dont know whats like) its business terms.
Jags..class
Player Valuation: £70m
Wouldn't be surprised if Moyes made sure Coleman had a clause in his new contract he signed before Moyes left.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
the only way we should even contemplate it mate, is if for some reason he has a monkey for an agent and signed for a ridiculously low wage for 5 1/2 years, and then it should be a substantial rise, but mot creaming our pants and suddenly making him amongst the top earners at the club, 30-40k per week is well ample for a fullback with one good calander year at the top level, he keeps that up for another 2 years then he has the right to expect a top earner type contract next set of negotations
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
That is the only factor which would have me accepting we needed to discuss a new contract mate, and if it was the case then its another f' you from moyes to us before he left tbh and another reason to revel in his current predicament at utd
Guest89
Player Valuation: £1m
In Baines, we can genuinely claim to have one of the very best in the world in his position, he's in the prime of his career, he looks after himself well enough that only a major injury will stop him going well into his 30s, he's shown loyalty, a great strength of character and dedication and what's more, he's a local lad.
The thing I like most about Baines though, is the fact he didn't burst onto the scene as a 18/19/20 year old. He grew steadily at Wigan, struggled at first here, but stuck at it and solidified his place in the team and then from there grew, consistently performing and getting better with each passing season. It's one thing to have pure natural talent like a Rooney, but it's another to have a decent amount of talent, but the work ethic and dedication to go from good, to great, to exceptional.
When Rooney broke through in his first full season with us, it was inconceivable to me that he wouldn't be world player of the year one day, whereas Baines was working hard to break in to a team playing in the then second division (League 1) of English football. Fast forward 11 years, relative to their respective positions in world football, they're now equals, if not Baines a better left back relative to what's out there compared to Rooney in that 'number 10' role.
As goes the worries that when Baines plays Coleman is less effective, I disagree. I think what happens is oppositions decide which of our sides they consider more threatening and set up to hamper that side. At the start of the season, they focused on Baines and the left, because historically that's where everything has come through, so Coleman has been given more space and freedom and been able to really grow and show us what he can do. Recently, Coleman and our right has been getting plaudits, so that gives Baines so more freedom of old. I don't think this should be seen as a negative at all. I think it will be rare both Coleman and Baines have storming games together, but while both are on the pitch, we have genuine quality threats that can come from either side, so while the opposition may be able to inhibit one, only really quality defensive setups will be able to deal with both simultaneously. Being able to attack from anywhere on the pitch is the mark of a quality team and with the strength we now have coming through the middle too, that is what we're growing into.
The thing I like most about Baines though, is the fact he didn't burst onto the scene as a 18/19/20 year old. He grew steadily at Wigan, struggled at first here, but stuck at it and solidified his place in the team and then from there grew, consistently performing and getting better with each passing season. It's one thing to have pure natural talent like a Rooney, but it's another to have a decent amount of talent, but the work ethic and dedication to go from good, to great, to exceptional.
When Rooney broke through in his first full season with us, it was inconceivable to me that he wouldn't be world player of the year one day, whereas Baines was working hard to break in to a team playing in the then second division (League 1) of English football. Fast forward 11 years, relative to their respective positions in world football, they're now equals, if not Baines a better left back relative to what's out there compared to Rooney in that 'number 10' role.
As goes the worries that when Baines plays Coleman is less effective, I disagree. I think what happens is oppositions decide which of our sides they consider more threatening and set up to hamper that side. At the start of the season, they focused on Baines and the left, because historically that's where everything has come through, so Coleman has been given more space and freedom and been able to really grow and show us what he can do. Recently, Coleman and our right has been getting plaudits, so that gives Baines so more freedom of old. I don't think this should be seen as a negative at all. I think it will be rare both Coleman and Baines have storming games together, but while both are on the pitch, we have genuine quality threats that can come from either side, so while the opposition may be able to inhibit one, only really quality defensive setups will be able to deal with both simultaneously. Being able to attack from anywhere on the pitch is the mark of a quality team and with the strength we now have coming through the middle too, that is what we're growing into.
The Hibbert Agenda
Player Valuation: £20m
I am most pleased with all the contract renewals. No complaints.
The longer the likes of Barkley Baines Jags Coleman McCarthy etc are under contract- the more comfortably we can recruit and integrate super-loans.
The longer the likes of Barkley Baines Jags Coleman McCarthy etc are under contract- the more comfortably we can recruit and integrate super-loans.
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