2025/26 Charly Alcaraz

[TheBigIguana]

Lets just have a light hearted chat for once, I don't mean harm on what i am going to say, infact it's the total opposite.

No one makes me bite like you do on here, you're like a splinter in my backside..

But I dont have a problem with you, I just find that you actually want to be that splinter..

Where you get me is that you jump straight on someone's back, this year it's KDH. You will refuse to ever move off his back no matter what he does, because you're concerned about your self pride being tainted. When it's the total opposite. I think you already see a different player than you thought, and if you just moved off his back you would get alot more respect.
( and my backside would be free of a splinter )

If we had 'Rice' in the team you would still say our midfield is to weak if KDH was next to him.

You done the same with your love of Iwobi..

We are not in a league of having players like Bruno, we wont be for a good couple of progressive years and Europe, so we have to go with what we have.
KDH and Garner are the 2 best we have..

Stop being so blunt and impossible to conversate with.
I would much rather be able to have nice amicable debates with you.

Let yourself go every now and than.

KDH is emblematic of this clubs current malaise. It’s going to be hard for me to ever look past that piece of it. The level of quality he’d have to bring is just not realistic.

Garner isn’t better pure ability wise. But Garner was bought for 9m. Garner might be sold for 25m. If not he might be useful for us for a much longer period, which makes up for some of the lack of quality.

Alcaraz is similar to Garner in that he’s how the club should recruit. Whether he’s better today to me isn’t really relevant. We need to be building and he’s a piece that can grow. KDH isn’t. He’s new to us, but he’s not new. His level isn’t a massive mystery. Alcaraz, Garner (at least a year ago), that’s different.

There’s a way to do this and a way not to do this. KDH is the way not to. And that’s why I get frustrated more than anything with this push to make him the face of our team.

 

[Swartzy]

KDH is emblematic of this clubs current malaise. It’s going to be hard for me to ever look past that piece of it. The level of quality he’d have to bring is just not realistic.

Garner isn’t better pure ability wise. But Garner was bought for 9m. Garner might be sold for 25m. If not he might be useful for us for a much longer period, which makes up for some of the lack of quality.

Alcaraz is similar to Garner in that he’s how the club should recruit. Whether he’s better today to me isn’t really relevant. We need to be building and he’s a piece that can grow. KDH isn’t. He’s new to us, but he’s not new. His level isn’t a massive mystery. Alcaraz, Garner (at least a year ago), that’s different.

There’s a way to do this and a way not to do this. KDH is the way not to. And that’s why I get frustrated more than anything with this push to make him the face of our team.

This is where you are proving my point though, you've hammered down on him and left no wriggle room.

Where we our as a club, KDH is a pretty good addition, where you want to be, is a different scenario and a good few years away from the likes of Bruno.

We were on our way to total combustion not long ago, last year we had to fight our way from relegation, just like previous years.

We have no Europe to offer.
We got turned down by numerous players over the summer.

So what do you expect when looking at those circumstances, rather than what you want/wish we had..

Just look at it from a realistic point of view.
And then we might be able to meet in the middle and have more sensible debates.

 

[TheBigIguana]

This is where you are proving my point though, you've hammered down on him and left no wriggle room.

Where we our as a club, KDH is a pretty good addition, where you want to be, is a different scenario and a good few years away from the likes of Bruno.

We were on our way to total combustion not long ago, last year we had to fight our way from relegation, just like previous years.

We have no Europe to offer.
We got turned down by numerous players over the summer.

So what do you expect when looking at those circumstances, rather than what you want/wish we had..

Just look at it from a realistic point of view.
And then we might be able to meet in the middle and have more sensible debates.

I expect us to stick to a set of principles built around value for money, calculated risks around player growth and a view past the immediate season.

We were on our way to combustion because we didn’t do this. KDH is just another Sigurdsson, Allan, Doucoure, and whoever else you want to add to the list. It’s not that he’s a bad player (I don’t rate him highly sure, but I am open to being wrong about that piece), it’s that signing him and playing him every week is a bad idea (you’re not swaying me on this piece).

 

[Swartzy]

I expect us to stick to a set of principles built around value for money, calculated risks around player growth and a view past the immediate season.

We were on our way to combustion because we didn’t do this. KDH is just another Sigurdsson, Allan, Doucoure, and whoever else you want to add to the list. It’s not that he’s a bad player (I don’t rate him highly sure, but I am open to being wrong about that piece), it’s that signing him and playing him every week is a bad idea (you’re not swaying me on this piece).

See, you can make me laugh.
And no I will not sway you on that..

And we just made it through a respectable debate...

 

[Zatara]

I expect us to stick to a set of principles built around value for money, calculated risks around player growth and a view past the immediate season.

We were on our way to combustion because we didn’t do this. KDH is just another Sigurdsson, Allan, Doucoure, and whoever else you want to add to the list. It’s not that he’s a bad player (I don’t rate him highly sure, but I am open to being wrong about that piece), it’s that signing him and playing him every week is a bad idea (you’re not swaying me on this piece).

See, you can make me laugh.
And no I will not sway you on that..

And we just made it through a respectable debate...

You're both wrong.

 

[Swartzy]

You're both wrong.

Explain how my post is wrong ?

My post was about me and BigI

 

[mahermi1]

i like the man, but i dont think hes the answer ..flashes, but not convinced and moyes clearly isnt ..i know the game was already gone but after he hit the bar last night he chucked in the towel ..did nothing

Thought he played well when he came on, quicker release of the ball, kept us moving around the pitch, very rare lost the ball. Would like to see Moyes play him and KDH in their preferred positions, Alcaraz as a 10 and KDH as an 8, just to see if it makes a difference.

 

[BigBeto1]

I love Alcaraz and think he’s the only one who can actually play through the lines. But KDH seems to of became our main goal threat so you can’t really drop him either.

Got to be a fluid midfield 3 that turns into a 2 in the attack and 3 on the defence

 

[Zatara]

Explain how my post is wrong ?

My post was about me and BigI

@TheBigIguana and you are both holding somewhat opposite views on players but you're both wrong.

Iggypop wants to focus on 'value' which is fine when signing players. However his expectation of value would equate to signings below £15mil.

This is the wrong approach because, there would be more 'value' in signing a young player at £30-50mil simply because it is more likely that their current potential is priced in somewhat. Meaning that when a team in the premier league gives them minutes and doesnt need to sell, their 'value' should increase substantially.

Lower risk and typically higher value.

The likes of Caicedo of course are a one in a million signing and were unlikely to find many of those. There will be other clubs in for them.


@Swartzy on KDH as a 10 Iggy is correct, we've overpaid a Chelsea looking to get him off the books and potentially given them a small profit for what they deem to be a flop.

He's also correct on the age profile as we purchased a player at their peak who likely will stay at the club on a high expected wage with a low resale value dropping every game he plays at 10.

We had just signed Alcaraz & would go on to sign Dibling who will be a future 10. Two players who should see their values increase if given game time.

 

[Swartzy]

@TheBigIguana and you are both holding somewhat opposite views on players but you're both wrong.

Iggypop wants to focus on 'value' which is fine when signing players. However his expectation of value would equate to signings below £15mil.

This is the wrong approach because, there would be more 'value' in signing a young player at £30-50mil simply because it is more likely that their current potential is priced in somewhat. Meaning that when a team in the premier league gives them minutes and doesnt need to sell, their 'value' should increase substantially.

Lower risk and typically higher value.

The likes of Caicedo of course are a one in a million signing and were unlikely to find many of those. There will be other clubs in for them.


@Swartzy on KDH as a 10 Iggy is correct, we've overpaid a Chelsea looking to get him off the books and potentially given them a small profit for what they deem to be a flop.

He's also correct on the age profile as we purchased a player at their peak who likely will stay at the club on a high expected wage with a low resale value dropping every game he plays at 10.

We had just signed Alcaraz & would go on to sign Dibling who will be a future 10. Two players who should see their values increase if given game time.

KDH as a 10 is mismanagement, which is not down to the player. Resale value on a needed player like him, who cares
We want/need him here for the now and immediate future.

You can't buy every player looking at a resale value or your not looking at your future as a club, or selling it to the player.
your looking at a profit making business.

You mix youth with players that fit your structure now..

Progression, not a pretty but untouched bank account.

 

[Zatara]

KDH as a 10 is mismanagement, which is not down to the player. Resale value on a needed player like him, who cares
We want/need him here for the now and immediate future.

You can't buy every player looking at a resale value or your not looking at your future as a club, or selling it to the player.
your looking at a profit making business.

You mix youth with players that fit your structure now..

Progression, not a pretty but untouched bank account.

Ahh but you see, @TheBigIguana would call this money down the drain because theres no 'value'. Not in the signing fee nor in a potential sale...and hes not good enough to not want to generate a profit.

Now, 'value' for Iggypop would be in your Garner, Ndiaye, Branthwaite, Aznou, Alcaraz and Tarkowski signings.

While they dont believe more expensive players like Onana (sold for a profit) or Dibling are value.

 

[Swartzy]

Ahh but you see, @TheBigIguana would call this money down the drain because theres no 'value'. Not in the signing fee nor in a potential sale...and hes not good enough to not want to generate a profit.

Now, 'value' for Iggypop would be in your Garner, Ndiaye, Branthwaite, Aznou, Alcaraz and Tarkowski signings.

While they dont believe more expensive players like Onana (sold for a profit) or Dibling are value.

That is the wrong outlook from him.

We dont move forward with full focus on a profit making machine.

Every new signing is a gamble, no matter who they are. you keep moving all your players that have settled just for profit, it will backfire massively.

 

[Zatara]

That is the wrong outlook from him.

We dont move forward with full focus on a profit making machine.

Every new signing is a gamble, no matter who they are. you keep moving all your players that have settled just for profit, it will backfire massively.

See, i'd agree with you on this if KDH was playing at 8.

But at 10 I reckon specifically on KDH youre wrong

 

[preposterousvelios]

KDH as a 10 is mismanagement, which is not down to the player. Resale value on a needed player like him, who cares
We want/need him here for the now and immediate future.

You can't buy every player looking at a resale value or your not looking at your future as a club, or selling it to the player.
your looking at a profit making business.

You mix youth with players that fit your structure now..

Progression, not a pretty but untouched bank account.

Agree with this. It's obviously good signing talented young players who become more valuable, better players over the course of their time here. I have stated disappointment in the past with our failure to maximise value of certain players we've had.

Stupid to act like any player that we aren't likely to make a massive profit on is a bad signing though, or shouldn't be playing. You can't bring through 11 wonderkids at once, that much should be obvious.

Even if you're hyperfocused on developing young players, you need experienced, accomplished players across the pitch (Tarkowski, Gana, KDH, Grealish) to allow the young players (Dibling, Branthwaite, Armstrong, Aznou) to learn their trade, find their feet and grow into the team without being under massive pressure to deliver top performances every week.

Big Ig been playing the new footy manager too much methinks.

 

[Swartzy]

See, i'd agree with you on this if KDH was playing at 8.

But at 10 I reckon specifically on KDH youre wrong

You obviously haven't read my posts properly have you.

Look what I have said about KDH

No10 is mismanagement, not down to the player.