2025/26 Seamus Coleman

[Jacko93]

Yes, you are reading it right. Baines and Pienaar were an excellent partnership because of it. There's nothing 'tactically insane' about it. It's been a part of the game since the Dutch were rotating into empty spaces in the 1970s...and possibly dates back to the great Hungarian sides of the 1950s.

You are right though to point out the requirement of a CD to shuffle across and help out on occasion too. That's the reason whey Tarkowski should be dropped ASAP: he's been 'kin hopeless all season at helping his FB out...or doing his own job for that matter. His head is gone completely but Moyes is determined to keep him in the team rather than partner Keane up with O'Brien.

Baines and Pienaar were excellent together because Pienaar could hold the ball up, allowing Baines to overlap, then Pienaar supported inside him giving options and creating overloads. The CH then shuffled over to fill the gap. Defensively, Pienaar came back to put pressure on the opposition winger and prevent overload opportunities.

Tarkowski doesnt really need to shuffle across to cover the left back, at least not before this season, as the left back barely gets out of his own half. Grealish looks forn the overlap all the time, unfortunately, Mykolenko doesn't offer it enough.

If your suggestion is that your right winger and right back swap positions, you're insane. They both have clearly defined roles, which alter depending on what phase of play they are in. Why dont we start Ndiaye right back, O Brien right wing, Grealish left back and Mykolenko Left wing and really start the game on the front foot. Take it to them eight from the start......

 

[davek]

Baines and Pienaar were excellent together because Pienaar could hold the ball up, allowing Baines to overlap, then Pienaar supported inside him giving options and creating overloads. The CH then shuffled over to fill the gap. Defensively, Pienaar came back to put pressure on the opposition winger and prevent overload opportunities.

Tarkowski doesnt really need to shuffle across to cover the left back, at least not before this season, as the left back barely gets out of his own half. Grealish looks forn the overlap all the time, unfortunately, Mykolenko doesn't offer it enough.

If your suggestion is that your right winger and right back swap positions, you're insane. They both have clearly defined roles, which alter depending on what phase of play they are in. Why dont we start Ndiaye right back, O Brien right wing, Grealish left back and Mykolenko Left wing and really start the game on the front foot. Take it to them eight from the start......

I've asked you before: please carry out your promise to put me on ignore.

You're a know all technocrat who's full of himself. It was bad enough with the stadium thread, now you've extended into poor old Seamus's player thread.

You're observations on the Pienaar-Baines partnership are cliche-ridden. They're the type of standard jargon-filled nonsense you'd get out of an Everton 90s 'expert' employed by pseudo tactical journals like FOURFOURTWO...in fact you probably read that guff about overloads and underlapping there. Abstract nonsense, when what they did was to interchange on many occasions, and if the circumstances allows they'd attack together. There's no need whatsoever to add complexity to that.

Football was a simple, beautiful game to observe until the middle classes killed it with their insistence on expertsplaining 'technical' details that the proles probably missed.

I wont be admonished by the likes of you, lad.

 

[Jacko93]

I've asked you before: please carry out your promise to put me on ignore.

You're a know all technocrat who's full of himself. It was bad enough with the stadium thread, now you've extended into poor old Seamus's player thread.

You're observations on the Pienaar-Baines partnership are cliche-ridden. They're the type of standard jargon-filled nonsense you'd get out of an Everton 90s 'expert' employed by pseudo tactical journals like FOURFOURTWO...in fact you probably read that guff about overloads and underlapping there. Abstract nonsense, when what they did was to interchange on many occasions, and if the circumstances allows they'd attack together. There's no need whatsoever to add complexity to that.

Football was a simple, beautiful game to observe until the middle classes killed it with their insistence on expertsplaining 'technical' details that the proles probably missed.

I wont be admonished by the likes of you, lad.

Im not going to bite and turn this into a personal attack, I'm not quite sure why you've attempted to pull it down to that level.

There is not a single FourFourTwo cliche in my assesment of the Baines Pienaar partnership. The absolute basic level of the Baines Pienaar relationship was all about the overlap, its something that many current wide relationships are built on and have been for many years. Its also not something that the 'middle class' have brought into the game (Im not sure why you seem to level that at me) it is something that has actually been a part of the game for many many years. Wing backs first appeared in the 1950s.

It was quite rare for Pienaar to be deeper than Baines in Evertons defensive third. By that I mean that it was very very rare for Baines to be isolated in an attacking position when Everton were being entirely defensive. The fact this happened so rarely was one of their major strengths. There were odd occasions it happened though. Thankfully the CH came across to fill the gap. Though sometimes, not quite well enough. But thats another debate

Your suggestion that a winger is also a full back, and a full back at certain times is a winger is complicating things, not simplifying it.

 

[davek]

Im not going to bite and turn this into a personal attack, I'm not quite sure why you've attempted to pull it down to that level.

There is not a single FourFourTwo cliche in my assesment of the Baines Pienaar partnership. The absolute basic level of the Baines Pienaar relationship was all about the overlap, its something that many current wide relationships are built on and have been for many years. Its also not something that the 'middle class' have brought into the game (Im not sure why you seem to level that at me) it is something that has actually been a part of the game for many many years. Wing backs first appeared in the 1950s.

It was quite rare for Pienaar to be deeper than Baines in Evertons defensive third. By that I mean that it was very very rare for Baines to be isolated in an attacking position when Everton were being entirely defensive. The fact this happened so rarely was one of their major strengths. There were odd occasions it happened though. Thankfully the CH came across to fill the gap. Though sometimes, not quite well enough. But thats another debate

Your suggestion that a winger is also a full back, and a full back at certain times is a winger is complicating things, not simplifying it.

Stopped reading right there.

The utter chutzpah of you stating I'm getting personal when you've been slating me on this forum for months.

Have a go at acquiring some self-awareness.

Anyway, my last word on this issue as this is about Coleman.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Im not going to bite and turn this into a personal attack, I'm not quite sure why you've attempted to pull it down to that level.

There is not a single FourFourTwo cliche in my assesment of the Baines Pienaar partnership. The absolute basic level of the Baines Pienaar relationship was all about the overlap, its something that many current wide relationships are built on and have been for many years. Its also not something that the 'middle class' have brought into the game (Im not sure why you seem to level that at me) it is something that has actually been a part of the game for many many years. Wing backs first appeared in the 1950s.

It was quite rare for Pienaar to be deeper than Baines in Evertons defensive third. By that I mean that it was very very rare for Baines to be isolated in an attacking position when Everton were being entirely defensive. The fact this happened so rarely was one of their major strengths. There were odd occasions it happened though. Thankfully the CH came across to fill the gap. Though sometimes, not quite well enough. But thats another debate

Your suggestion that a winger is also a full back, and a full back at certain times is a winger is complicating things, not simplifying it.

Stopped reading right there.

The utter chutzpah of you stating I'm getting personal when you've been slating me on this forum for months.

Have a go at acquiring some self-awareness.

Anyway, my last word on this issue as this is about Coleman.

You got badly davek'd here, but it's what you get for biting overall mate.

 

[Jacko93]

You got badly davek'd here, but it's what you get for biting overall mate.

I should know better really.

 

[roy vernon]

He couldn’t manage to play regularly under Dyche either. Is he clueless as well?

He has added value and he has been a loyal servant for the club. He is a club legend in my view. But that doesn’t mean you just give him ongoing years when he isn’t able to perform as a player.

The last 2 points can be easily solved and merged together. Make him a coach. He can still act as an ‘ambassador’ and help integrate new players as a coach.

The club needs to move on and progress from being the sentimental soft touches of the Kenwright days. You said this in 2019 about Coleman:
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[DualityNSNO]

He couldn’t manage to play regularly under Dyche either. Is he clueless as well?

Unrelated to this Coleman discussion, but yes.

 

[Eggs]

…I really don’t get hostility to Coleman, especially the fact he got a new contract. The Manager wants his influence in the dressing room, especially with the transition of new owners, new players and new ground.

A coaching contract just isn’t the same, coaches are a step away from the players. Coleman is helping, I think you’d only fully appreciate that if you’re part of the set-up. Terrific decision to keep him involved.

 

[davek]

…I really don’t get hostility to Coleman, especially the fact he got a new contract. The Manager wants his influence in the dressing room, especially with the transition of new owners, new players and new ground.

A coaching contract just isn’t the same, coaches are a step away from the players. Coleman is helping, I think you’d only fully appreciate that if you’re part of the set-up. Terrific decision to keep him involved.

Completely agree with you. A coach means they are effectively on the other side of a dividend seen as 'the other'.

Coleman's role is cleverly a conduit between coaches and players. It's an invaluable role that Everton have somehow stumbled upon.

 

[Jacko93]

…I really don’t get hostility to Coleman, especially the fact he got a new contract. The Manager wants his influence in the dressing room, especially with the transition of new owners, new players and new ground.

A coaching contract just isn’t the same, coaches are a step away from the players. Coleman is helping, I think you’d only fully appreciate that if you’re part of the set-up. Terrific decision to keep him involved.

I'd agree with this. For a while now Colemans value has been far beyond the white line. Its clear that he has an immense amount of respect from his team mates and when he speaks they listen. The other thing is, he speaks for Everton and Evertonians, not whatever the manager or coaching team tell him to say, at least more than most. That means he'd have a very different relationship to the team than he would if he was a coach. I think that if he was a coach he could be viewed as being a mouthpiece for whoever was in charge at the time.

The time may come where he is a coach, Ive no idea of his actual footballing coaching capabilities, but for now I'm glad hes part of the playing staff, and more importantly, most of the other playing staff are as well.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

…I really don’t get hostility to Coleman, especially the fact he got a new contract. The Manager wants his influence in the dressing room, especially with the transition of new owners, new players and new ground.

A coaching contract just isn’t the same, coaches are a step away from the players. Coleman is helping, I think you’d only fully appreciate that if you’re part of the set-up. Terrific decision to keep him involved.

I'd agree with this. For a while now Colemans value has been far beyond the white line. Its clear that he has an immense amount of respect from his team mates and when he speaks they listen. The other thing is, he speaks for Everton and Evertonians, not whatever the manager or coaching team tell him to say, at least more than most. That means he'd have a very different relationship to the team than he would if he was a coach. I think that if he was a coach he could be viewed as being a mouthpiece for whoever was in charge at the time.

The time may come where he is a coach, Ive no idea of his actual footballing coaching capabilities, but for now I'm glad hes part of the playing staff, and more importantly, most of the other playing staff are as well.

Sentiments shared by probably 90% of match going Blues

 

[Neiler]

 

[davek]

Down to Moyes for playing a 37 year old so soon after he'd played twice in a week for his country.

 

[Neiler]

Down to Moyes for playing a 37 year old so soon after he'd played twice in a week for his country.

Don't think his body is up to the pace of the PL anymore myself mate.

No shame he's 37, its the natural order of things.