Is the club challenging Gana's red card?

Lanolin said:
No they don’t? The guidance is clear that striking the face is treated differently. As I said, the referee could have acted differently but comparing it to what I he did is daft? It’s not the same thing. You could argue that uche used excessive force but we all know he didn’t, so the guidance for the 2 situations is different and pretending it’s not is disingenuous. Uche wasn’t sent off for the same reason Keane wasn’t, the guidance doesn’t suggest he should be.
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I’ve already linked the guidance around violent misconduct. Both actions fall under the guidance I posted.

“A player who is not challenging for the ball will be sent off if they:

-use or attempt to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent, teammate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made

-deliberately strike an opponent or any other person on the head or face with their hand or arm, unless the force used was negligible”

The subjective part is about the amount of force, for both. Was gueyes force negligible (could argue it was as it was hardly a full on swing at him)? Was Uche’s excessive (could argue it was considering it was off the ball so entirely unnecessary meaning any force was therefore excessive).

I can’t really be bothered arguing. If you intend to hit or slap someone, there should be consequences for it. They both intended to.
 

Marius57 said:
I’ve already linked the guidance around violent misconduct. Both actions fall under the guidance I posted.

“A player who is not challenging for the ball will be sent off if they:

-use or attempt to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent, teammate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made

-deliberately strike an opponent or any other person on the head or face with their hand or arm, unless the force used was negligible”

The subjective part is about the amount of force, for both. Was gueyes force negligible (could argue it was as it was hardly a full on swing at him)? Was Uche’s excessive (could argue it was considering it was off the ball so entirely unnecessary meaning any force was therefore excessive).

I can’t really be bothered arguing. If you intend to hit or slap someone, there should be consequences for it. They both intended to.
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This negligible defence is reminding me of RAWK's defence of Suarez with Evra when they all became linguistic experts regarding South America.

The Uche punch I don't remember that during the game, might have been out the room but did the ref see it or blow up for it? If Tarkowski went to the ground and rolled about it would have probably got a red card.
 
Appealing to an organisation that gave Mitrovic an 8 match ban for touching the ref's arm
They like to make examples in rare/unusual circumstances to make it stick.

I love Gana's passion but expressing it like that instead of just shouting at Keane was a big mistake and probably deserves the red.
 

Moomin said:
This negligible defence is reminding me of RAWK's defence of Suarez with Evra when they all became linguistic experts regarding South America.

The Uche punch I don't remember that during the game, might have been out the room but did the ref see it or blow up for it? If Tarkowski went to the ground and rolled about it would have probably got a red card.
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It went to var and nothing doing. I’m not defending Gueye with the negligible comment. Just pointing out the flaws in consistency when it’s as subjective as it is in the rules.
 
Kurt. said:
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hitting your own player is a red card offence under the rule of "violent conduct". The laws of the game make no distinction between an opponent, a teammate, or any other person for this specific infraction.
The official Laws of the Game, as set by the International Football Association Board (IFAB), define violent conduct as using or attempting to use excessive force or brutality against any person, which includes a teammate. The referee must show a straight red card for this action.

* violent content - more like handbags at ten paces - the ref should have just booked them both
 
Joey66 said:
hitting your own player is a red card offence under the rule of "violent conduct". The laws of the game make no distinction between an opponent, a teammate, or any other person for this specific infraction.
The official Laws of the Game, as set by the International Football Association Board (IFAB), define violent conduct as using or attempting to use excessive force or brutality against any person, which includes a teammate. The referee must show a straight red card for this action.

* violent content - more like handbags at ten paces - the ref should have just booked them both
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Slap in the face ….. can’t be doing that
 
Joey66 said:
hitting your own player is a red card offence under the rule of "violent conduct". The laws of the game make no distinction between an opponent, a teammate, or any other person for this specific infraction.
The official Laws of the Game, as set by the International Football Association Board (IFAB), define violent conduct as using or attempting to use excessive force or brutality against any person, which includes a teammate. The referee must show a straight red card for this action.

* violent content - more like handbags at ten paces - the ref should have just booked them both
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PGMOL law as stated is "a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible."

And negligible is defined as as “little tap”.
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Sure it wasn’t a punch but Keane’s head is clearly seen to move quite sharply with the slap, it wasn’t a little tap.

Gueye totally lost his head, see how he scraps with Pickford who was a neutral bystander, it was a deserved red. However he has mad e a full apology and we should move on.

ha
 

Joey66 said:
hitting your own player is a red card offence under the rule of "violent conduct". The laws of the game make no distinction between an opponent, a teammate, or any other person for this specific infraction.
The official Laws of the Game, as set by the International Football Association Board (IFAB), define violent conduct as using or attempting to use excessive force or brutality against any person, which includes a teammate. The referee must show a straight red card for this action.

* violent content - more like handbags at ten paces - the ref should have just booked them both
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For context, rio ferdinand slapped a linesperson during a goal celebration. So, one rule for some and none for others...
 

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